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Post by sgev1977 on Apr 15, 2021 12:00:00 GMT
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Post by sgev1977 on Apr 15, 2021 12:33:17 GMT
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Post by sgev1977 on Apr 15, 2021 13:04:16 GMT
Possible spoiler... The plot is actually very predictable but still... This is a nice comment but I accidentally read an old tweet by a girl that thought both Morrissey should be forgotten and ended by now. She apparently was angry that The Simpsons were doing a “homage” to the now cancelled Morrissey. This made me think in that old The Simpsons episode in which Lisa discovered that Jebediah Springfield was a fraud and a horrible person and not the heroic man the city thought he was. She tries to tell the truth and no one wants to hear it but at the end she understands why: the lie was actually positively influencing citizens and the truth would just not help. I remember it made me think a lot. I didn’t agreed and I still don’t agreed that lies are better than the truth but it was a very complex episode about benefits and costs about well, “canceling” old icons. That kind of social commentary was what made The Simpsons great and it would be great if this episode is equally complex like that and Lisa doesn’t just ends like the angry woke girl posting on Twitter how everything that seems to be slightly nice to the “canceled” celebrity is automatically bad and understand that even when the modern Morrissey prototype is a hateful bastard, his younger self did something valuable that made people happy and that surpass him like person. That doesn’t mean to erase his ugly side and lie about it but to accept humans are complex and that you can hate someone like person but love their work. I think something like that would be more interesting and mature that just a (in this case, deservedly) Your Fave is problematic entry! I forgot the answer that’s the clue about the plot of this episode!
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Post by sgev1977 on Apr 15, 2021 13:31:25 GMT
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Post by queenzod on Apr 15, 2021 13:32:19 GMT
I’ve run into that problem recently with Eric Clapton. I’ve adored his music for 50 years now, believed in that whole “Clapton is god” nonsense that was around all those years ago, mourned with him over the loss of his son, prayed for him through his various drug addictions, etc. He’s just the most amazing musician and has led an incredible, tumultuous life. And apparently he’s also said some racist bullshit along the way and has “wrong” opinions. I hate seeing the younger generation cancelling him in the way that they are. I don’t think the young folks today understand that you can appreciate someone’s talent and still disagree with some of their opinions. Now of course some of that is on a continuum and there’s got to be a point where the opinions slide over into truly hateful, untenable ideology where I just can’t appreciate/tolerate them anymore, but...🤷🏻♀️
There seems to be little nuance anymore; it’s all just black & white thinking and throwing the baby out with the bath water type of approach. That makes me sad.
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Post by roverpup on Apr 15, 2021 15:03:26 GMT
I have never heard of Morrissey (not my kind of music) but I read up a bit on him after reading your posts. Sounds like another case of something like I feel about Mel Gibson. I wasn't a fan of his in the same way I am about BC, but I did really like a number of his older works. And if I saw his name in a movie I used to almost always give it gander.
But in recent years... no.
I just can't bring myself to patronize his recent stuff, knowing all the horrible things he has said and did.
But I won't "boycott" the past work of his which I think was superior acting (I'm thinking of things like Gallipoli or The Year of Living Dangerously and even The Bounty). I think those films still hold worth. So he should be praised for those projects.
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Post by onebluestocking on Apr 15, 2021 15:45:23 GMT
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Post by queenzod on Apr 15, 2021 15:53:39 GMT
Mel Gibson - what a sad fall from grace! He’s such an excellent actor but yeah, it’s hard to watch him in anything. I did see The Professor & the Madman (with Sean Penn) and it’s very, very good. But I can’t watch him anymore without being sad at what a huge asshole he is. That’s a good example of a talented person whose hateful ideology has stretched beyond the limits of his talent, I think.
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Post by sgev1977 on Apr 15, 2021 16:07:53 GMT
Morrissey has/had this huge following of lonely and melancholic kids. At least that was the cliche but I remember masculine big boys behaving like crazy during his concerts. They just were in ecstasy! He was always eccentric and kind of feminine. There were rumors about his sexuality but even in recent times he claimed he was celibate. He also was kind of extremist about his vegetarianism. Those are details but I wouldn’t discard some mental health issues that maybe or maybe not could had influenced his more extreme views. This of course doesn’t justify him but he just seems a very tormented and self-destructive man. I’m mean it’s in his songs!
About Eric Clapton, I’m not an expert but I understand the difference with Morrissey is that he always was like that! I saw some people being surprised that young kids on Twitter were discovering it when it was apparently not just common knowledge but he was already strongly criticized in the 70s and 80s for his frequent racist comments.
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Post by sgev1977 on Apr 15, 2021 17:10:59 GMT
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