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Post by MagdaFR on Mar 3, 2017 22:38:29 GMT
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Post by roverpup on Mar 3, 2017 23:56:11 GMT
Thanks for posting this Magda.
I read it and I think I will re-read it again when I have the time to fully digest it properly. I think it is wonderful to be given insight into the process of directing actors. I hope the fans of Sherlock appreciate the great opportunity they have been given.
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Post by mllemass on Mar 4, 2017 0:06:39 GMT
That was very interesting! I feel badly that she has obviously been criticized for how she directed T6T. I hope this now puts an end to the complaints!
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Post by queenzod on Mar 4, 2017 2:22:52 GMT
What a lovely and thoughtful person she is! A very fascinating read. I hope she's sussed out that John's fling made some folks angry because it solidified him as a heteroesexual, not a bisexual man desperately wanting to boink Sherlock.
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Post by MagdaFR on Mar 5, 2017 14:10:33 GMT
I finally read it. I found it interesting but to understand it completely I should read about the "action" oriented directions. I'd be a very bad director if I were one, according to what I read. I'd have all very well directed to results, a neat package before even giving the script to the actors. Haha. Better write a book.
The part where she explains her choices in reference to T6T and why she didn't read TFP is understandable and I think it was a good choice. I think the part I liked the most from T6T is John-E fling. I think one of the problems of TFP is not showing any reaction to this, Sherlock/Eurus encounter, visually.
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Post by igs on Mar 6, 2017 8:38:58 GMT
I hope she's sussed out that John's fling made some folks angry because it solidified him as a heteroesexual, not a bisexual man desperately wanting to boink Sherlock. I'm sure this is true, but the fling was also kind of pointless. I felt like it was added to make John and Mary "even" somehow on the eve of her heroic sacrifice. I don't really think texting to another woman is on the same level in terms of betrayal as lying to one's spouse throughout the whole relationship about everything and anything, until trapping them into marriage and parenthood and revealing one's occupation as assassin/bounty hunter/mercenary by trying to kill one's best mate. But meh, I guess that is what we are supposed to think.
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Post by mllemass on Mar 6, 2017 12:48:29 GMT
Of course it doesn't make them even, but you're the one saying that that was supposed to make them even. I don't think that.
John craved danger in his life, and with everything settled with Mary and the new baby, the excitement wasn't there anymore. He took a risk and flirted with a stranger on a bus. He felt bad about it but kept doing it anyway. Mary lying to John about her past wasn't to trap him into marriage. She didn't want to lose him, even if that meant shooting Sherlock in order to protect her secret.
Yes, it all sounds like nonsense, but Sherlock is supposed to be fiction!
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Post by queenzod on Mar 6, 2017 13:06:40 GMT
I thought they used the fling to amp up John's guilt, so they could get to the uncontrolled rage scene in the morgue in TLD.
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Post by roverpup on Mar 6, 2017 13:50:53 GMT
Pointless?
Not from where I sat watching. T6T texting fling for John absolutely had a point and it wasn't just some "now we're even Steven, Mary!" Game.
Very much it showed that John was all too human, so that while we were watching (throughout the entire three episodes) the main protagonist, Sherlock, go through this crisis of facing his emotional demons, we were also reminded that John was also going through some turmoil of conscience as well.
M&G stated in the pre-publicity that season 4 was about consequences and John's texting fling tied nicely into HLV mention by John to Mary (when they reconciled) that he was still angry about her subterfuge concerning her background. He warned her that his anger would come out "now and again" and I think in T6T we see a serious consequence of that residual "anger" (in HLV it was played more lightly with them sparring about mowing the lawn and naming the baby).
It also meshes nicely with the next episode (TLD) and the overriding theme of "chickens coming home to roost" and consequences, because John finally faces the anguish and guilt he feels over the moral failure to his marriage (caused by his previous anger). He declares to his "Conscience Mary" that "Who you thought I was... is the man who I want to be.". John's coming to terms with his bitterness, anger and guilt (and the fact that Sherlock is so open to forgive John for this anger that was directed his way during both T6T and TLD) helps John move on and get some balance back into his life.
And ultimately going through this whole whole process works its way into the finale, TFP, when John, as a more wiser friend, helps Sherlock see his way through his own emotional crisis (I thinking specifically of the scene after his outburst over the coffin) and that both of them have to face that "terrible feeling that, from time to time, we might all just be human".
And yes, all of these implications did piss off TJLC fans who have directed at RT (and M&G) because they made the show about something more than just Johnlock. So I also hope that RT was answering those people in a way too.
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Post by igs on Mar 7, 2017 7:40:10 GMT
I thought they used the fling to amp up John's guilt, so they could get to the uncontrolled rage scene in the morgue in TLD. This makes sense. I guess it's just that I feel like in comparison to everything else John might have been angry about (and there's a lot, I consider both Sherlock and Mary emotionally abusive towards him) some light flirting with a lady he met on a bus is a drop in the ocean. That is why I considered it pointless, and tried to apply some meaning to it. They probably also wanted to sneak Eurus into one extra scene, to make the reveal in the end of TLD before the "cliff-hanger" more dramatic.
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