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Post by sgev1977 on Sept 25, 2021 17:15:46 GMT
I will post it here because they are an Oscar podcast but it’s by people who watched it at San Sebastián so it’s in Spanish. Anyway, one of them loved it and the other two think it’s good but that the first part is weak because… they clearly didn’t get it! The interesting part is that the woman seems to have completely misunderstood Smit-McPhee’s character and I’m not talking about interpretation but about factual stuff. I guess, I could be wrong if for whatever reason Campion changed Dunst and McPhee’s characters relationship (Did she did that, mllemass ?) but this woman is sure and even corrects the other two saying that Peter is an orphan that helps Rose in her restaurant and that she just kind of adopted him. She says he talks about both his parents deaths in the film! Are people criticizing the film so lost about the plot or Campion just changed stuff? And why? Lol All of them are very nice about BC but one of them said the stupid argument that BC was one of those promising actors who lost impulse in their career after their last Oscar nomination and that with only just a nomination (they think he is wonderful but Will Smith could be a sentimental winner which it’s true) he should be happy because he is apparently returning to the big leagues. Really? I’m sure they consider blockbuster success (which actually is much more relevant in Hollywood than silly Oscars nominations) unimportant but on the artistic side, not everything is about stupid American movie awards and it seems to me that BC knew that when he decided to use his non-Marvel time to do things like The Hollow Crown, The Children in Time, Patrick Melrose and Brexit. He won awards and nominations for those, by the way, and critical acclaim. Maybe just maybe, not every actor considers Oscars the biggest achievement of a career (and he has said it!). www.premiososcar.net/2021/09/la-sexta-nominada-en-san-sebastian-2021_25.html00:94:50
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Post by sgev1977 on Sept 25, 2021 17:54:45 GMT
I forgot to mention that they said everything suggested that Kirsten Dunst would have a stronger character. That’s not true! The film is based on a book in which her character is weak and kind of pathetic. Campion since day one said BC was her first male lead and repeated it multiple times before, during and after the shooting. It was only the award pundits that supposedly consider every aspect to make their predictions who were fabricating stuff about Dunst being a lead and Campion beefing her character even if that meant to completely changing the nature of the book, who were “suggesting” her character would be “strong”.
I think she could be nominated if the movie is well received by the Academy and it is nominated to multiple categories. I loved her acting in the trailer but the Academy traditionally like less passive characters. That doesn’t have anything to do with the performance itself. We will see..
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Post by mllemass on Sept 25, 2021 19:02:06 GMT
I’m not sure where anyone got the idea that Peter was adopted! Although there are no flashbacks in the movie, they make it clear that Peter’s father was Rose’s husband - just like in the book. They literally spell it out in the movie by having Peter visit his grave, and the gravestone reads something like “Loving Husband and Father to Rose and Peter”. And also like in the book, his father had been a doctor and had committed suicide. We find out about that in the movie when Phil refers to Rose as a “suicide widow”, and then later when Peter tells Phil that he was the one to find his father after he had hanged himself. I think it was at that point in the movie that Phil started to really regret how he’d been treating Peter. He realized that Peter had been through so much awful stuff in his young life, so no wonder he wasn’t the least bit bothered by the stupid name-calling by Phil and the other cowboys.
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Post by sgev1977 on Sept 25, 2021 19:30:15 GMT
It sounds like Phil is slightly nicer in the film! So yeah, it confirms that some people who criticizes the film suffer of attention disorder! She did a Homer Simpson’s! Lol The funniest part is that she explained it to the other two like she knew what she was talking about! It helped them with a good joke, tho.! They said there was a “hijo putativo”/ putative son (Peter) and “un hijo de puta” /son of a bitch (Phil) in the film.
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Post by mllemass on Sept 25, 2021 19:50:32 GMT
No, he’s a jerk! It’s just my interpretation after watching it 2 1/2 times! The look on Phil’s face as Peter was talking seemed to me like something was changing. It was subtle.
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Post by mllemass on Sept 26, 2021 0:21:23 GMT
I forgot to mention that they said everything suggested that Kirsten Dunst would have a stronger character. That’s not true! The film is based on a book in which her character is weak and kind of pathetic. Campion since day one said BC was her first male lead and repeated it multiple times before, during and after the shooting. It was only the award pundits that supposedly consider every aspect to make their predictions who were fabricating stuff about Dunst being a lead and Campion beefing her character even if that meant to completely changing the nature of the book, who were “suggesting” her character would be “strong”. I think she could be nominated if the movie is well received by the Academy and it is nominated to multiple categories. I loved her acting in the trailer but the Academy traditionally like less passive characters. That doesn’t have anything to do with the performance itself. We will see.. I found Kirsten Dunst to be exactly what I was expecting in Rose. There were some early comments that she wasn’t in it enough, but I didn’t think so. And I didn’t think Rose was weak at all. I could relate to her, and thought she reacted to her circumstances the way I probably would have, too. I don’t think of abuse victims as “weak”. She had entered this marriage after her first marriage had ended in tragedy, so she had been though a lot. She was coping the best way she knew how, but of course she was no match for Phil.
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Post by sgev1977 on Sept 26, 2021 1:00:23 GMT
Maybe not weak but she is a passive character who barely reacts to ruthless gaslighting. I think the character is very of its time. Dunst and Campion explained beautifully at Venice when they said she wouldn’t dare to even tell her husband about his brother’s behavior and that she felt she as a woman was responsible for it and that she deserved his scorn.
I think it was logic to imagine that any leading actress announced for a Campion film would play a rebellious wild strong will character because that’s what Campion’s leading ladies do but the fandom mentality of award fanboys was very obvious since the moment they completely ignored the film when the also extremely talented Elisabeth Moss was cast but made a big fuss when Dunst substituted her. They completely ignored the synopsis and fooled themselves with fabricated stuff claiming she was the star of the film. And it’s ok, we are all just fans but what bothers me is that they don’t accept they are just silly fans and their condescending tone towards mostly female fans. Remember the guy who was predicting only Jesse Plemmons and a BC fan told him that his character wasn’t very meaty but BC’s was and the guy responded that he was the expert and he knew what he was talking about because he studied statistics and probabilities and he knew Plemmons will be nominated but not BC! And it still could happen! We don’t know! But at least in this moment the predictions said the opposite! Again, they could be wrong but at least they are based on reactions to the actual film and not imagined “statistics”.The silly female fan was actually more informed that the “expert” because she actually had read the book and he was just an uninformed idiot!
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Post by MagdaFR on Sept 26, 2021 4:03:49 GMT
Not directly related to the discussion but BC is in LA.
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Post by MagdaFR on Sept 26, 2021 4:09:24 GMT
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Post by MagdaFR on Sept 26, 2021 4:27:44 GMT
Adding this tweet because of the comment. He must have finished filming.
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