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Post by onebluestocking on Nov 9, 2017 15:45:09 GMT
But the catch is that sometimes a man thinks the woman might be interested, when it turns out she isn't. He can't find that out without showing interest in her first. If he's a boss and she a subordinate, he takes a chance of being fired if he was wrong. That's the tricky area, but I don't see a way around it short of passing "Do you like me? Check yes or no" notes like grade schoolers.  The law doesn't say that flirting or asking someone out is automatically wrong, only if it is frequent and severe enough to cause a hostile work environment. At the same time, women should be treated professionally by all co-workers, and not have to worry about being hit on by the boss. |
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Post by mllemass on Nov 9, 2017 19:22:57 GMT
Exactly! And that's what keeps most women from reporting harassers. We automatically think that we did something to encourage them or lead them on, so we blame ourselves and keep silent. I know that showing an interest in someone is not the same as harassment, but these situations can be very complicated.
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Post by queenzod on Nov 9, 2017 20:44:03 GMT
Maybe it’s my naïveté or idealism, or even that I tend towards the asexual, but it seems pretty clear cut to me. Bosses oughtn’t be making passes at their employees and married people oughtn’t be making passes to people other than their spouse at all. If you do find yourself in a consenting, mutual attraction situation where there’s a power imbalance at work, you reveal it to your supervisor. Men need to stop acting like women are there for their sexual gratification, and women need to speak up. We’re one of the most intelligent creatures on this planet with an amazing tool called language with which we can make our thoughts and wishes known to others and we hobble our own tongues. I don’t get it.
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Post by ellie on Nov 9, 2017 21:45:38 GMT
Most men do not treat women as though they are there for their sexual gratification. Most men do not sexually harass their female colleagues. I think there is a danger of too much sweeping generalisation on this topic. It is also important to note that is is not just women who experience sexual harassment in the workplace. There have been cases involving women harassing men and gay men harassing either gay or straight colleagues. Simply asking someone out is not sexual harassment so long as, if the person declines, that is the end of the matter. If somebody who is, married and known to be so, has a consensual relationship with another single or married colleague then both parties are equally responsible for their actions.
Sexual harassment is when a person behaves in an unwanted and inappropriate manner either verbally or physically towards another person. Touching someone in a way that is obviously sexually motivated, making sexually suggestive remarks or refusing to back off after a request for a date is rejected all fall into this category.
But age, marital status and seniority in an organisation do not in themselves prohibit the formation of sexual relationships between colleagues.
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Post by queenzod on Nov 9, 2017 22:43:13 GMT
I used to work in an office at a university, and I’d hire work study students to help with the clerical stuff. A couple of times, I hired men. I got flack for it, which I didn’t understand, but some ladies in the suite of offices thought it weird to have men working in a clerical position. I figured if the men didn’t care, why should they? I liked having the male energy around. They’re so much less gossipy than women, and I found it refreshing and it seemed more like real life. Anyway, my co-worker in the office next door used to make all these completely inappropriate comments about having him take his shirt off and stuff like that. I had to go over there and tell her to knock it off. I was shocked that a woman would think that’s an okay thing to do!
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Post by sgev1977 on Nov 10, 2017 0:48:58 GMT
Apparently HBO will not just uninvited today accused Louis CK but erase all his material on their video on demand! I think that’s just too much! Logically they must now erase everything which includes anyone ever accused of something! Yesterday I saw a tweet by someone who said he was sick of Hollywood and will try to read books instead of watching movies. I hope he never read about the lives of famous authors! I imagine music is not even an option! And other arts should be problematic, too! Film Threat published a silly article after it was announced that Christopher Plummer will substitute Spacey in his new movie (which will be released next month!) about who should replace him in his classic roles. They actually included BC as Verbal/Keyser Soze, in part because Bryan Singer mentioned him years ago as his favorite contemporary actor for playing the role. filmthreat.com/features/replacing-kevin/ It’s just a fantasy based in a ridiculous decision (but maybe logical, in this case, from the monetary point of view) but I don’t think it would be a good idea to accept to do a movie with Singer himself right now!!! I still think some of the extreme reactions are in part because studios knew about those guys. Compare it to Amazon saying they are investigating allegations against Jeffrey Tambor by one personal assistant whose laboral relationship with the actor didn’t end well. I’m not saying he is innocent but that it seems to me that the studio was surprised enough by the accusations to try to do the fair thing and investigate first. An action that could avoid a laboral sue if it’s confirmed he is indeed innocent. Still, the precedent is bad and could end affecting innocent people and erasing/altering movies is just ridiculous! |
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Post by ellie on Nov 10, 2017 1:02:20 GMT
I think erasing people from films and pulling movies from “on demand” is utterly ridiculous.
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Post by queenzod on Nov 10, 2017 2:39:37 GMT
I wish they’d erase Trump.
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Post by onebluestocking on Nov 10, 2017 3:58:34 GMT
I agree. They're feeling guilty. No need to investigate what they already knew.
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Post by mllemass on Nov 10, 2017 5:33:18 GMT
This wave of accusations has turned off a lot of viewers, so I can totally understand why production companies don't want any connection to the accused men. And also, thanks to the Internet, movies and tv shows can now live forever and can continue to make money for those involved for years to come. So why not make casting changes while it's possible? It doesn't mean going back and cleaning up everything in history - that would be pointless! But right now we're talking about men who are currently working, and I certainly don't want to see any project they've been involved with. Just tonight, Louis CK was supposed to be on Stephen Colbert, but his appearance was cancelled. Good!
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The law doesn't say that flirting or asking someone out is automatically wrong, only if it is frequent and severe enough to cause a hostile work environment. At the same time, women should be treated professionally by all co-workers, and not have to worry about being hit on by the boss.
