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Post by mllemass on Nov 13, 2020 22:24:37 GMT
I thought it was very nice that Mark Gatiss retweeted it.
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Post by sgev1977 on Nov 13, 2020 22:59:50 GMT
It's an excellent movie that I can see gaining some traction in a few years when people ACTUALLY watch it instead of just talk about it!
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Post by dickens38 on Nov 14, 2020 3:05:44 GMT
I enjoyed it too. Bought it.
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Post by sgev1977 on Jan 18, 2021 1:50:52 GMT
I just watched it again. I casually saw that the HBO app said it will be removed in 6 hours (why?!) so I decided to watch it again. I think I liked it more. I thought the ending with the fake appearance before some kind of comitee would be feel cringey considering it never happened but the scene actually works as a projection of his real life fall. Like the scenes of him hearing the country's clamor on the streets, it's something not necessarily literal but a fantastic scene of him falling to justify himself with his typical phoney ideas and concepts.
I can't understand why some randoms insists the film glorifies him. Ok, I know why. They haven't watched it. They just read the dumb tweets by an activist who was presented as journalist and now is sadly suffering the consequences of injecting ideology to a work that must be objective. That and because the few that actually watched it and repeated that "criticism" wanted a panto villain without too much brain but who somehow cheated in a big way and stole the referendum from the "good guys"! The movie is more complex than that and has at least two brilliant scenes. First, the woman who just lost it during the discussion group bit and crying screams how she feels humiliated and how the cosmopolitan educated young racially diverse young people there makes her feel inferior. I mean how that scene not just explain what happened in the UK but also what it's happening in the USA and in the rest of the world?! But again, "lefties" don't want to see rivals as humans (and those characters are humans with a LOT of fails!) but just as panto villains!; the other one is the scene between BC and the great Rory Kinnear, it's very clear who is wrong and who is right there and how BC's Cummings is more worried about to win and showing how smart he is instead of sincerely trying to help those poor white people or just trying to do the right thing for his country. It's so straightforward that's insane that someone could interpret it in another way! Graham's scripts even predicts that Cummings will be a victim of his own "revolution" with the last phrase of Kinner and the last scene of him trying to justify his actions and blaming others for the ultimate failure of Brexit! But probably what bothers some is the admitted own failures by Kinnear's character. He knows they failed to some and that their unscrupulous rivals abused of that and are creating an untamed monster. They are presented as the lesser evil there but the establishment (it's not even really the left but the (neo)liberals!) doesn't want to admit it. They are the "good guys"! Again, it's a very complex film for a very simplistic society that sees the world in black and white.
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Post by roverpup on Jan 18, 2021 2:40:52 GMT
Brilliant analysis of why this is such a effective characterisation study as well as a slice of political commentary history. Bravo Sgev!
I knew this film would be complex from the get-go. One of my fave scenes (structurally) is the one of the "Tate Plotters" done so deftly with the painting of John Singleton Copley’s The Death of Major Peirson looming over them. I didn't know until afterwards that Toby Haynes handpicked that specific painting for that scene because it held a deep level of thematic significance (not just a surface "patriotic" symbol) for the entire film and Brexit situation.
The whole history and context of that painting actually is at the emotional core of the film (both in a negative and positive way). Masterful filmmaking to use this painting in such a manner and one that only comes clearer upon more intense examination.
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Post by queenzod on Jan 18, 2021 5:12:24 GMT
Y’all so smart! I’m jealous of your ability to coax nuance out of films. Normally I’m just like “look at that hot guy!” Lol.
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Post by mllemass on Aug 20, 2022 15:34:07 GMT
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Post by sgev1977 on Aug 20, 2022 15:55:58 GMT
I moved it because they are talking about Cummings, not Assange.
It’s amazing how some left wing British really didn’t understood the film! I saw a pair of comments angry about the possibility of they “humanizing” Johnson, too! They only seem to understand cartoons about good and bad guys! Maybe, just maybe you can get better the “evilness” of someone when you see the reasons of why he or she did what they did and what went wrong but no! they just born bad and their voters are all evil irremediable bigots so good luck with the next election! And that’s the point of the Brexit film. Graham, a working class author who knows the Brexit voters much better than over privileged bad journalists that are really just activists, explained much better what happened beyond the conspiracies theories about Russians doing some kind of a huge electorate fraud! You have to be blind if you really believe there’s not division (which the film hold Cummings accountable for, by the way!) and that Brexit voters weren’t moved by other issues beyond easy manipulation (something that the films also considers).
The thing that bothered them, or at least to those who ACTUALLY saw it, was that there weren’t simple answers and that “their” side, which was portrayed in a much nicer way(!) was slightly criticized too mainly for… not noting that the country was strongly divided before the referendum!!!
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Post by mllemass on Aug 20, 2022 16:19:58 GMT
Thanks! Yes, of course - I clicked on the wrong thread when I posted it.
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Post by queenzod on Aug 20, 2022 17:38:22 GMT
This new film looks great. Absolutely chilling to hear those beautiful words about England (delivered by one of the best Shakespearean actors alive today), coming out of the horrid mouth of Johnson. Hopefully it will be layered and complex and not only show BJ for the clown that he is (albeit a clever, conniving, rapacious, and amoral clown), but also his awful brilliance. I hope they show it in the US!
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