Someone posted a longer video of the Almodóvar quote. It doesn’t seem Holland is joking!
And you know what? It’s ok not knowing Almodóvar or another important filmmaker out there but it’s not very smart move to show your ignorance about your own “art” in such a way. He is just very naive! The savvy thing to do, it’s probably to ask in private or doing your own research. He is just exposing his ignorance in front his peers and about his “industry”. I’m sure it wasn’t his intention but that could be interpreted as belittling someone who is considered a giant in history of cinema. And, it’s the same with his saying about Scorsese.
He needs to watch more films! Especially foreign films!
I can't believe I am defending Tom Holland and I kind of am and kind of not.
BC is, literally, 20 years older than Tom.
Just by that fact alone, along with having 20 years experience in his chosen field, will make him far more eloquent and knowledgeable. Add onto that the fact that BC also has decided to be an expert in his field and be someone who, essentially, does "continuing education" (to phrase it poorly) so that he knows the history and the craft and the technical stuff and whatever else goes into making movies/TV/etc.
I am considered an expert in my chosen field, too (I am an expert on a small part of my field, but my field is very highly technical so this is not unheard of). Twenty years ago, I would have bumbled around like Tom and made mistakes (and, frankly, so has BC - he has said some stinkers, but we all do, we all probably will, and we apologize, correct things, and move on - it is just part of becoming better people). Now, 20 years later, I can speak like BC on my chosen topic for hours, have it be accurate, and have an audience (my field isn't entertainment and it is small, but still). ETA: And, there are plenty of people in my field who do not want to be experts and just want to do their job. That is OK! There is a place for everyone.
So, in 20 years, we'll see if Tom is just an actor who never improves and never goes beyond superhero films or he might end up an expert like BC. He is still young. I expect him to not know everything or everyone and say dumb shit.
That said, there is a place for blockbusters (and blockbuster actors) and art films. My local indie art theater is doing well, actually, probably better than the big chain theater across the town, because they have a dedicated fan base, so to speak. They have to work hard, of course, but they offer a lot of really neat things besides current movies (they will get classics in and show those for one night only, which often sell out, for instance) and they run the local opera house, too, and my state's international film festival (which doesn't draw big name celebrities but is fun anyway - last year, they hosted it at the drive-in!). ETA: I guess my point is that the indie theater near me isn't just relying on being indie - they are part of the community and offer a lot of extra to draw the community in.
Sometimes, I want to watch art films and have to think and really enjoy it. Other times, I want a mindless blockbuster that I can "watch" (ie, listen to) while doing my various crafts. I don;t judge others for just wanting one of these things - there is room for us both (and, as for these huge companies driving out indie stuff - well, the only way to break a monopoly is with the government stepping in, so unless that happens, no amount of screaming at clouds is going to change things other than to raise our blood pressure).
But I don’t think it was about Holland committing a verbal faux pas or saying something that could be interpreted as wrong. He wasn’t ashamed (and he maybe shouldn’t be, you know). He meant it! At least with the Almodóvar part! And again there is nothing wrong with not knowing who Almodóvar is! The problem, I think I agreed here with you @jbc, is that he indeed seems to be performing a character: the naive unassuming unpretentious transparent good kid. And yeah, the thing that maybe could be misinterpreted is that it could be seems as rude towards some major figures of cinema history: Almodóvar and Scorsese. But also, they only are VIP to snobs! And he isn’t a snob, he is the good simple guy. You friendly neighbor, Spider-Man! He is selling that image and he is selling a product of an all powerful conglomerate and that’s what it feels perverse. Maybe he is doing it unconsciously but certainly there is something unabashed about him stopping another more sophisticated actor talking/joking about his favorite arty filmmaker directing a franchise movie to ask who he is he even talking about? It indeed felt performative like a lot in these “funny”interviews always feel. Probably he sincerely didn’t knew but the need to publicly ask about it seemed to born of the fact that he was playing his character: a guy so good and unassuming that would never bothered with something beyond popular Disney culture.
I know, maybe I’m reading to much but that’s the cynic part to me and again, I don’t think he would feel bad about it. Not with Disney behind him. It’s just that it’s great for him as an actor to “marry” like that with a company.
And it’s not just him. Yesterday I read some tweet saying that the only good actors in Marvel are BC and Mark Ruffalo and that neither of them would dare to give opinions about it. Both has done, of course! Thankfully, BC has been more intelligent and sophisticated with his answers (the worst reaction he got was a very few number of Marvel fans accusing him briefly of treason for “defending” auteur cinema! Lol) but even the indie darling Ruffalo felt the necessity of defending Disney in a similar pathetic fashion way like Holland: he has done both and the “real thing”, “the people’s thing” is the monopoly product because those movies are cheered more loudly! He even dared to say that Scorsese should giving money if he wanted to help artistic cinema before criticizing! To the guy who has indeed an association that actually do that: restore all African films and produce new young female talents! So bizarre and this by a “sophisticated” adult actor who already worked with Scorsese! And TBH, Holland isn’t a kid anymore neither!
I am going to go out on a limb here with this thought, but maybe he really is just naive and stupid? Maybe it IS just an act or maybe everyone on his PR team is hoping we will think it is just an act when it is actually how he is? I mean, after 12 billion interviews on the same subject matter all in one day, I am 10000% sure I would get stupid and say stupid things just for some variety.
I am totally joking here and laughing while I write this, but just picture it:
PR TEAM: Let's sell it that you are a young, stupid kid TH: Wait. But, I am a young, stupid kid. PR TEAM: YES! Keep believing that! Ha! Job DONE. WAY TO GO METHOD HERE, SON.
The other thing that occurs to me is how weird it must be to be so young and be carrying this huge tent pole picture. The fame has got to go to your head, you think you’re the cat’s pajamas, and you don’t regulate your mouth. Imagine how strange it must be to be living your life in public like that, grinding out interviews, you could get dizzy and punchy with all of that attention and random spewing of the same talking points for hours and hours. Maybe Tom is going to be one of “those” actors who doesn’t handle fame very well. It must be tough to go through that. Someone (was it Bill Murray?) said that fame can either make you humble or make you an asshole (paraphrasing b/c I can’t quite remember and can’t be arsed to look it up, lol.)
BC’s fame came a little later in life so he had a greater base in his own experience to rely on. Plus, of course, being that he’s so damn perfect, 😉 he’s actually a pretty ego-less guy. I do remember he was pretty freaked out by it, which seems like a healthy response to a bunch of insane madness suddenly exploding around you.
Sorry but sometimes it’s very difficult not to be a bully with certain people!
I’m joking of course but he is an adult and my recommendation (which he won’t care because a)I’m a nobody; b)he doesn’t read this forum; c) and he is the guy starring in the most popular movie right now in the whole world so he is probably counting his millions right now!) is to stop behaving like a little boy!
EDITED Jake Gyllenhaal says different generations but he is around my age and Al Pacino was already an “old man” when I was a kid! I still was infatuated with him so I knew who he was in my teens! Pacino was in a low point in his career in the late 1980s and early 1990s so I’m talking about my young self watching his old stuff.
Could you imagine Kodi or Thimothée talking like him? They're 25 too.
It's his profession and he knows nothing about cinema?
Also, look at this:
Tom Holland is talking Academy Awards!
The 25-year-old Spider-Man: No Way Home star was asked about his interest in potentially hosting the 2022 ceremony in an interview with THR.
“Maybe in the future, but in all honesty I’m just too busy right now. I don’t have the time. I’ve got an Uncharted press tour to do, and then I start shooting in early March for this TV show [Apple TV+’s The Crowded Room] which is going to take up a lot of my time and is definitely the hardest role I’ve ever taken on. So maybe one day in the future. But no, not right now. Honestly, I just don’t have the time. And you know I would love to do that — I love that kind of thing, I love being put under pressure and doing things that I feel uncomfortable doing. So I’m interested in it, but I just don’t have the time,” he said.
Two minutes later, he called back: “I just wanted to quickly backtrack on what I said. You asking me about the Oscars — you’re the first person to bring that up — and I’m sitting here going, ‘Of course I would host the f–king Oscars!’ I just went to the bathroom and I was looking at myself in the mirror and I was like, ‘What kind of f–king idiot wouldn’t host the Oscars?’ So yeah, if they ask me to, I would, and it would be very fun. I would really enjoy it,” he clarified.
As for whether he’d host solo or with someone, he said: “Either/or. I don’t mind. By myself would be great, and with someone I love would be even better. I think a shared experience is always better than a solo experience. I’m happy with either, but it would be a very fun evening — I’m sure very stressful, but it would be a lot of fun."
Imagining him at the Oscars! There will be a lot of new people to meet! I mean “new” to him, of course! Surely, Almodóvar will be there if they nominate Parallel Mothers for starters! Lol
I seriously think he is playing a character. Again, he probably really doesn’t know who Almodóvar is and the name of the “Scarface guy” but most young people would be more humble about their ignorance. He seems to put it out there because fans think “it’s cute” but one of these days, it just will stop to be cute. Probably, it was yesterday! 😉