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Jan 6, 2020 12:21:38 GMT
Post by mllemass on Jan 6, 2020 12:21:38 GMT
The Globe and Mail was pretty nasty this morning in their article about the awards. It seems like to them, the most unbelievable award went to Sam Mendes over the other big-shot directors. They imply that, despite the awards, audiences still won’t go see 1917 when it opens later this week.
They also go on about what a mistake it was to hire Ricky Gervais again, but only provided one of his jokes that they claim didn’t go over well with the audience.
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Jan 6, 2020 12:27:36 GMT
Post by onebluestocking on Jan 6, 2020 12:27:36 GMT
Why don't they like Sam Mendes?
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Jan 6, 2020 13:40:12 GMT
Post by sgev1977 on Jan 6, 2020 13:40:12 GMT
I think it's just the backlash but interesting enough it seems even this is tribalistic these days. The Irishman was acclaimed by older more established critics and the backlash come from woke types and Marvel fanatics! This time it's the auteur oriented critics. They would have preferred Scorsese to win.
Mendes won big with his debut film many years ago but a good number of critics consider it a bad film nowadays. Another fascinating thing is that one of the rare critics that criticized then Stephanie Zacharek kind of defended it recently from woke criticism. She still doesn't like it but she though it was unfair to say it's a sexist or amoral movie. She also wrote a very positive review of 1917 so we know she has an open mind.
The problem with Twitter is that a lot of people talk like they are talking with close friends or worst, with themselves. Awards are insignificant but award talking in social media is mean! I have to admit I was kind of glad when people showed their frustration when BC lost awards last year for Patrick Melrose but it could looked very unprofessional when you kind of admit you haven't even watched the movie the thing you are attacking (as what happened with some Spanish speaking reviewers yesterday).
But why the hate him? Because he isn't considered an auteur filmmaker like Scorsese, Tarantino or Baumbach and he won awards decades ago for a film that revisionists now consider bad and undeserving; And more important, it beat their favorite!
EDITED I just saw a very prominent American critic declaring on Twitter that he now refuses to watch it because it won! Wow! Social media make people mad! He then involved in a discussion with a younger film critic who is defending it. It's so easy he hasn't watched it his opinion is worthless! The trailer doesn't count as the film!
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Jan 6, 2020 13:54:18 GMT
Post by mllemass on Jan 6, 2020 13:54:18 GMT
I was just reading some more twitter comments, and it sounds like some critics think that 1917 was safe, predictable and old-fashioned - the type of movie that gets Golden Globe votes but not necessarily Oscar votes. Also, some admit they haven’t seen it but are judging that “type” of movie, not the movie itself.
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Jan 6, 2020 14:02:57 GMT
Post by sgev1977 on Jan 6, 2020 14:02:57 GMT
It probably will win the Oscar. It was obvious since day 1. Scorsese is great and my favorite, too but he is working for Netflix. That makes him very "polemic" and no the Golden Globes aren't safer than the Oscars. It's the opposite! Golden Globes bad fame is more related to corruption. They are populist, too but they sometimes take some left-field decisions. Just yesterday someone was commenting how they recognized Barbra Streisen as filmmaker when she was ignored by more "serious" associations that weren't interested in give awards to women, including the Academy.
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Post by onebluestocking on Jan 6, 2020 15:16:59 GMT
I loved American Beauty then, still love it now.
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Jan 6, 2020 15:56:05 GMT
Post by sgev1977 on Jan 6, 2020 15:56:05 GMT
I remember at the time it was very well-received. It was considered something different and even rebellious. A satire about conformity and mediocrity. But years passed and a lot of movies from that same year achieved cult film status. For example, Fight Club, which was about similar themes, had a very mixed reception at the time. It was much more brutal. Now it's considered a classic and Fincher is considered a proper auteur. In comparison, American Beuty was suddenly considered a very conventional movie that won the conventional awards and was easily understood by everyone. Then the Me Too movement arrived and it was also amoral because an actor, accused of harassment in real life, is playing a guy in his 40s who has sexual fantasies with a teenager girl.
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Jan 6, 2020 18:15:23 GMT
Post by queenzod on Jan 6, 2020 18:15:23 GMT
I thought the charges against Spacey had been dropped by the accuser? Was there more than one accuser?
On a similar note, Harvey Weinstein’s trial started today. If he gets off, so help me god I’ll call down brimstone on him with my witchy powers.
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Jan 6, 2020 19:15:12 GMT
Post by ellie on Jan 6, 2020 19:15:12 GMT
I think Spacey has multiple accusers but nothing has gone to court so far. Apparently he made some bizarre Christmas video messages in character as Frank Underwood. Also two or three of his accusers have died. It’s all really weird.
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Jan 6, 2020 19:17:33 GMT
Post by prudence on Jan 6, 2020 19:17:33 GMT
Strangely, 2 of Spacey's accusers have died. This caused one criminal case to be dropped and one civil case to be settled. There are more cases out there, but none that seem to be bringing criminal changes so far.
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