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Post by roverpup on Nov 27, 2021 14:15:21 GMT
From many of the things she has said on her Twitter, I really don't care for AA as a person - she isn't someone I relate to. But I think she's a decent enough actress (I've seen her in few things besides Sherlock).
I do think however she was absolutely vilified by a very loud contingent of the Sherlock fandom right from the get-go and treated horribly throughout (and even now) because she was seen the strongest threat to the idea of Johnlock.
As for wandering away from canon, I don't recall any such volume or intensity in calls for "ACD purity" when it came to plumping up characters in regards to Mrs. Hudson, Euras, Molly or Mycroft, all of whom influenced the dynamics of the interaction of the SH/JW in many important ways.
The one major difference between the role of Mary and those other expanded (or even completely invented) characters was that Mary directly disturbed the fantasies of the JLers in a way that none of the others could. Even Molly, who wasn't even in the original stories, wasn't viewed with such venom because Sherlock rejected any notion of Molly as a sexual being right from the get-go.
But Mary was introduced as a girlfriend and then later evolved into a wife (as per canon) making her a sexual partner right up front and that was at the crux of the vilification of the character.
Personally I don't think Mary disturbed the buddy aspect of the two main characters. In fact for me, her role brought lots of interesting aspects of the relationship into focus and made the stories more intriguing. Watson was still Holmes' sidekick which is what that character was always intended to be (in the books and in the show).
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Post by ellie on Nov 27, 2021 14:43:02 GMT
I have to say I disagree RP. Mrs Hudson and Molly deviated from cannon but they remained supporting characters. The storylines were never focussed on them in the way the Mary episodes were cantered on Mary. And don’t even get me started on Eurus - I hated that character. I’m most definitely not a Johnlocker. I never wanted Sherlock and John to be a couple because that is not what their relationship was ever intended to be. However I did want the script to be primarily about Sherlock and John working together and in the Mary storylines, even more so than Eurus, it moved too far away from that for my liking.
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Post by mllemass on Nov 27, 2021 17:35:55 GMT
I want to make it clear that I think Sherlock was/is perfect and I wouldn’t change a thing! I was only suggesting how I thought they could have handled the show to please the nutty fans who hated Mary. But they weren’t interested in doing that, which is fine!
Also about Amanda, I was following her on Twitter before she was even on Sherlock. I had come across a YouTube recording of Martin as guest-host of a radio program, so I listened to the whole thing. Being the music fanatic that he is, he had lots of insight on the songs/music he was playing. He also had with him Amanda as his co-host. He had asked listeners to send in questions to them during the program, so in between songs they answered questions. One listener asked Martin if he had seen the American version of The Office, and what he thought of it. He said yes, he had seen it and loved it, and thought it might be better than the original.
I remember Amanda reading a question, and they weren’t sure how to address her. She said that she gets all sorts of things - Amanda Abbington, Amanda Freeman, Miss, Mrs - and it was all fine with her. That’s when I noticed that they were pretty vague about their marital status, and they never corrected anyone who got it wrong. After that, I started following her on Twitter. She mainly tweeted about their family life - funny little anecdotes about Martin and their children. I remember she would post her children’s conversations, and say that they were exactly like Sherlock and John. Once she was on Sherlock, she cut back on the tweets about the children. I guess she decided some privacy was probably needed now that she was so well-known.
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Post by onebluestocking on Nov 28, 2021 7:23:00 GMT
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Post by llminnowpea on May 3, 2022 16:20:15 GMT
That really sucks. But, since I am in a GREAT mood today, the saying about stupid and prizes comes to mind. Why in the hell would anyone think these stunts are a good idea? I mean, aren't professional stunts choreographed and checked so the stunt doubles are far less likely to get hurt (at least on decent sets)? Our society needs to stop thinking these things are entertainment. People do this crap all the time and get hurt like this. It sucks. ETA: Yes, I know my response is heartless. But, seriously, why? What happened to common sense? |
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Post by llminnowpea on May 3, 2022 17:28:00 GMT
ETA: Yes, I know my response is heartless. But, seriously, why? What happened to common sense? I get what you're saying. Stuntmen are trained well and usually precautions are taken to ensure their safety, but these accidents are part of the controlled risk they're taking. It's unbearable when it goes wrong, though.  The thing about it being televised is that it may encourage people at home to try and they'll do some real damage to themselves. Like when Parkour first went viral and several kids had serious injuries trying to emulate what they saw in Youtube videos. You're just thinking to yourself, this is a literal interpretation of: "If everyone else jumped off a bridge, would you?"... and the answer is "Yes, I'll jump off this roof while my friend films me on his iphone!"  Eta: llminnowpea To be clear, you're not saying he's in the wrong, are you? Because I'm saying that the glamorization of these stunts and the premise of these television programs is what's wrong here (not the stuntman who chose this as his career- there are plenty of dangerous careers). I'm not entirely sure we're on the same page and worry I may be misunderstanding your post. I am kind of saying he was stupid. But, no one should get hurt because they are stupid. So, I am balancing those two opposing ideas, haha. Like, I can think he lacks common sense and also wish he hadn't gotten hurt. ETA: this may be considered a shitty, awful take. But, I just do not understand the appeal of these kinds of things. |
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Post by llminnowpea on May 3, 2022 18:05:09 GMT
I am kind of saying he was stupid. But, no one should get hurt because they are stupid. So, I am balancing those two opposing ideas, haha. Like, I can think he lacks common sense and also wish he hadn't gotten hurt. ETA: this may be considered a shitty, awful take. But, I just do not understand the appeal of these kinds of things. Fair enough. I'll have to respectfully disagree with you, but I understand why you've got that opinion. There are plenty of jobs that are this dangerous. Skydiving instructors are a good parallel- they get paralyzed or killed all the time. On average one dies every couple of weeks, globally, iirc. They train to avoid accidents and are masters at getting themselves out of trouble in the few seconds of time they have, but they know it's a major risk every time they jump, and sometimes it just doesn't pan out. I don't necessarily think taking a dangerous job or having a dangerous hobby is inherently stupid. We can do all the normal, mundane safe stuff and still end up having a horrific accident. But then, I used to go skydiving and have had an accident doing it, so I'm biased. I do feel that the televising of these extreme activities can lead to amateurs getting injured, because beyond "Don't try this at home", we don't often hear of the years and years of training behind the stunts, nor see the safety measures provided to the stuntmen (because tv needs drama and that BTS info would kill the suspense). I also feel that stunts are becoming excessively dangerous because of the televised aspect, and people push boundaries of what is safe/acceptable just to create a good moment for tv. The priorities are backwards now. At any rate, we agree that it's horrible that he's had this life-changing event. From what I've just seen of AA's comments, she's being incredibly adaptable to the situation. Good on her! It must have been a stressful few months following the accident. I usually find her abrasive, but I found the way she spoke about this extremely kind (though I only read the articles and have not listened to the podcast itself). I can't find anything on whether there was an audience present when he did this stunt. I can only imagine that if there was an audience, they all needed therapy afterwards to process the horror of it! You have a point. Maybe it isn't really "he is stupid" but that "this whole thing was a tragic waste and that waste is stupid"? I 100% agree with you on this: And, I think that that is a better way to describe how I am feeling about the entire thing. |
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