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Aug 11, 2020 15:11:14 GMT
Post by mllemass on Aug 11, 2020 15:11:14 GMT
Viewers will probably start watching it expecting to find Benedict running a drug cartel, but find him playing a cowboy instead. Ha! Either way, we still win.
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Post by sgev1977 on Aug 11, 2020 15:20:24 GMT
I actually saw a guy on Facebook being very happy with Jane Campion(!) directing in New Zealand(!!) a film starring Cumberbatch, Plemons and Dunst(!!!) based in his favorite book about Mexican drug cartels!!!! I loved how he didn't see anything odd in that piece of info!
EDITED Thinking about it, Jane Campion directing an American cowboys story starring Cumberbatch in New Zealand sounds slightly surprising but she doing a Mexican drug wars film with BC as El Chapo sounds much more bonkers!
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Aug 11, 2020 16:34:10 GMT
Post by ellie on Aug 11, 2020 16:34:10 GMT
I actually saw a guy on Facebook being very happy with Jane Campion(!) directing in New Zealand(!!) a film starring Cumberbatch, Plemons and Dunst(!!!) based in his favorite book about Mexican drug cartels!!!! I loved how he didn't see anything odd in that piece of info! EDITED Thinking about it, Jane Campion directing an American cowboys story starring Cumberbatch in New Zealand sounds slightly surprising but she doing a Mexican drug wars film with BC as El Chapo sounds much more bonkers! Lol😀. I like to think of his response as confidence in BC’s versatility. 😂
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Aug 12, 2020 1:47:33 GMT
Post by sgev1977 on Aug 12, 2020 1:47:33 GMT
I remember some time ago it was announced that Charlie Humman was in talks to play "La Barbie". Surely you don't know but "La Barbie" is the nickname of a Mexican drug lord (I think recently there was a rumor that he was actually spying for the DEA so it should be a complex story). The real life guy is not just light skinned and blue eyed but also very chic so he was called "La Barbie" because... the doll!
Mexican press reported the casting as a curiosity and nothing more but the Americans went crazy with the "whitewashing" accusations! LOL
So my theory is that the guy mentioned above is not an American journalist ... or he just doesn't know who all those people mentioned in the piece are!
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Post by onebluestocking on Aug 12, 2020 3:39:39 GMT
I did, I just don't remember the reference to the title. It's been awhile since I read it.
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Aug 12, 2020 11:33:49 GMT
Post by sgev1977 on Aug 12, 2020 11:33:49 GMT
I guess the "literal" reference is the dog only Phil and very "special" people can see running on a mountain. He measures the intelligence of people based in who can or who can't see that dog. Only Bronco Bill and Peter could pass the test so he kind of opens himself to them. A big mistake with the last one!
More subtle and unexplained are the Biblical references. I'm not very religious but the phrase on the Bible is about asking God to be freed from the power of the dog. So the "dog" is evil or an evil person. I guess both Savage and Winslow were inspired by the verse because they both wrote about evil individuals dominating everyone and everything around them even when the theme of their books are very different. So the "dog" in the title is Phil.
I personally like the title. I like the solemnity of a biblical title. It's kind of similar to East of Eden! Both are about a small closed American family but also BIBLICAL! Caine and Abel!
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Aug 12, 2020 11:45:33 GMT
Post by mllemass on Aug 12, 2020 11:45:33 GMT
It’s also a poem by Rudyard Kipling, who I guess named it after the bible passage. But the poem really is about dogs, although of course it’s easy to apply to human relationships as well.
A summary of the poem that I found:
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Aug 12, 2020 11:52:22 GMT
Post by sgev1977 on Aug 12, 2020 11:52:22 GMT
The poem is lovely but dogs are good noble creatures there meanwhile the bible portrays them like monsters! Lol
I guess that if Kipling was inspired by the bible with that title then he used it in a ironically way!
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Aug 12, 2020 11:53:44 GMT
Post by mllemass on Aug 12, 2020 11:53:44 GMT
I just saw that the poem is in the public domain, so here it is:
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Aug 12, 2020 11:57:00 GMT
Post by mllemass on Aug 12, 2020 11:57:00 GMT
When I looked up that bible passage yesterday, there were different interpretations of it. And some didn’t even agree that “dog” was the correct translation of what was in the passage originally.
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