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Post by sgev1977 on Mar 31, 2020 14:59:38 GMT
Nice review by this Argentine newspaper:
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Post by sgev1977 on Jan 15, 2022 11:18:16 GMT
This is kinda funny because didn’t they said the same of the Conan Doyle original stories? Still agreed the explanation was ridiculous and with the sentiment in general but I absolutely hate the press using the word “Cumberbitches”
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Post by queenzod on Jan 15, 2022 11:33:34 GMT
Paywall. If he’s saying they never really explained how he survived, you can say that about most of the plot in all the seasons! Someone once said Moffett doesn’t write plot, he writes scenes, and I think that’s accurate. He’s very good at brief, deeply emotional bits, but crap at the underlying explanations or tying together whole arcs.
I mean, what exactly was Sherlock doing those 2 years away in “eastern Europe?” Was he killing people? He must have been. So does that make him some kind of serial killer? But we’re all supposed to be shocked when he shot Magnussen? And that lame flip to get him out of that temper tantrum murder fiasco just so the show could get on with season 4? Don’t get me started, lol.
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Post by queenzod on Jan 15, 2022 11:47:21 GMT
Thanks @jbc! I don’t disagree with most of what he said, but it was overly snarky and shot through with post modern ennui and cynicism. Whatever. I can’t fault the production values or the acting. The writing was sloppy in (many) places but that didn’t stop it from being a hell of a good, enjoyable ride. You just can’t think that much about it. 😂
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Post by mllemass on Jan 15, 2022 13:21:43 GMT
Ugh! That article makes me furious! I agree with what they say, but not with the conclusion they come to. Sherlock, the show, was never fully explained, right from the start. You either accepted the fat-fetched, stylized stories and went along and kept watching it, or you didn’t. It didn’t change along the way. Nothing changed - the writing, acting, set design, music, were perfect. That show was a masterpiece, and no one will ever convince me otherwise!
I’ve told this before and I’ll say it again now - people tend to remember popular shows more fondly in retrospect than when they first aired, and Sherlock is no different. I know this, because I didn’t discover Sherlock until S3 was just about to start. Because I wanted to avoid spoilers, I would watch one episode, and then look up the reviews for that episode before watching the next. I deliberately only read the reviews from when the episode originally aired because the reviews written later gave away too much about the next episodes. So the reviews that I read were written by people who had only seen the episodes that I had seen, and not yet the whole series.
And guess what! The reviewers hated it. Just like in this new article, they criticized the logic and demanded explanations for stuff that didn’t make sense to them. What kind of weird show was this?? It was too different from whatever else was on tv, and they wouldn’t accept it. Of course, not every review was negative. There were people who loved it as much as I did, and they were very vocal. After the second episode aired, they were bombarded by complaints that the show had gone “downhill”. I remember Mofftiss joking that fans were treating it like it was a beloved long-running tv series, and not a new show in its second episode. And we know what followed - fan reactions got out of hand and crazy fans started demanding that certain things happen in the show. Johnlock started, too, and the positive reactions turned ugly. Remember those nuts who threatened to boycott the show and ruin it if Mofftiss didn’t write it the way they were demanding it? I’ll never forget reading those “We’re the ones who made you famous, so you’d better do what we want - or else!” posts online.
The Sherlock reviews were like that the whole time the show aired. And the longer it was on, the more popular it became, and the more negative the reviews became. I remember finishing The Sign of Three (one of my favourites) when it aired here, and immediately looking up the reviews. I couldn’t believe they were describing the same show I had just watched. I admit that Mofftiss didn’t help the situation when they joked that they wanted viewers to think and not have everything spelled out and explained to them. I guess insulting the viewers (even if justified) probably wasn’t the wisest thing to do. Ha!
So this new article is not at all accurate if they’re ignoring the reality of the actual reviews the show received all along.
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Post by sgev1977 on Jan 15, 2022 13:42:54 GMT
I think the reviews were very positive with the first two seasons and mixed to positive after the third one. That’s what I remember!
I didn’t watched Sherlock immediately. TBH I was more excited with BC’s performance in TTSS. I knew who he was beforehand and I thought he was very talented but that performance was what made me a fan. I remember reading that his series was very acclaimed (alongside his new play, Frankenstein). So yeah, critics loved him and the series. Actually when he and Sherlock season 2 lost the Emmys to Kevin Costner and his western movie, critics were very angry on Twitter. Probably like they were with the Golden Globes winners in then lead actors categories this year! The series two early seasons were beloved by critics then later came the backlash and yeah, probably the quality fall a little or too much, depend who you ask! 😉
But agreed that it was always a unrealistic and illogical series and that was probably the charm of it so maybe the criticism should be other.
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Post by mllemass on Jan 15, 2022 14:11:08 GMT
Yes, I’m sure that’s accurate. But I still think those early positive reviews were written later, after the reviewers looked back on all the episodes. Also, don’t forget that the longer the show was on, they more it was talked about on social media. I remember reading tweets by people watching it in the UK (before it aired here) who said the episode was awful and they had to turn it off and go online to give it a bad review - they reviewed an episode they hadn’t watched. There was a race for who would be first to write how bad the show was - I think that still happens today. After seeing TPOTD at TIFF, I saw that there were more than 7000 mostly bad reviews for it on IMDB. That was impossible, of course, because 7000 people couldn’t have seen it yet. It had only shown at a couple of film festivals at that point, so maybe 700 at most had seen it, and I doubt that they were rushing back to post their negative reviews on IMDB.
You’d have to check the dates that the Sherlock reviews were first published, because you’ll see that the early positive reviews are from later, after the show was really popular, looking back at it.
And I forgot to point out what happened after the very last episode - the crazy fans who were expecting John and Sherlock to end up together (because Mofftiss promised them!!) we’re enraged at the betrayal. They attacked poor Louise Brealey on Twitter for forcing Sherlock to say that he loved Molly when he really loved John! How could she?? Never mind that she’s an actress playing a character and reading lines - they insisted that she should have refused to do that scene. Those “fans” went after everyone involved with the show. I remember tweeting all of them to apologize and to reassure them that not all of us are crazy.
That article left out the biggest reason for the show’s negative reviews - insane fans.
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Post by queenzod on Jan 15, 2022 15:11:35 GMT
I’ve had people block me *last year* for reminding them Sherlock told Molly he loved her, lol. And then others correct me because Sherlock couldn’t possibly have meant that BECAUSE HE’S GAY. It’s just so hilarious. I mean, sure, he could be gay. He could also be straight, or bi, or ace, or whatever. Everyone has their own headcanon but that doesn’t make it canon. Do folks not understand these aren’t real people? They’re characters in a show. Some things are not defined.
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Post by mllemass on Jan 15, 2022 15:33:23 GMT
Speaking of Sherlock anniversaries . . .
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Post by mllemass on Jan 15, 2022 15:51:44 GMT
And also Sherlock-related: I saw this yesterday. This girl is really funny!
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