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Post by MagdaFR on Sept 28, 2020 12:24:01 GMT
Maybe the movie is conventional and very far away of true masterworks like last year Parasite but the one who went to live in Hollywood for months just to campaign for the Oscar was Bong Joon Ho. I found very hypocritical when actors are portrayed as Oscar hungry as a part of a movie review/comment (usually by award pundits!) meanwhile beloved filmmakers are applauded when they do in this case not even the same but much much more! There are not all actors who are treated this way. Their criticism is just against those they don't like.
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Post by sgev1977 on Sept 28, 2020 14:17:00 GMT
There is indeed some fandoms war mentality. At the time of TIG, a lot of award fan boys decided BC was hungry for the award and would happily campaign for it because Weinstein was behind him. He supposedly would be the main threat against their "fave" so they attacked him. They ignored his subtle comments about not wanting to campaign and of being kind of forced by Weinstein. Who knows? Maybe because he didn't scream it as for example Fassbender the previous year who declared he wouldn't campaign for 12 Years a Slave (his reason was that he wasn't happy that he wasn't nominated for Shame!). BC said it in a very nice way: he as Weinstein believed the story was important to tell and some awards would help the movie to find a wider audience but he just couldn't do it because he was already working in something else!; He almost ashamed admitting he didnt "kiss all the babies" he was told to kiss; And he saying some kind words about Weinstein's "passion" for the film when at the same time revealing he was calling him angry at midnight trying to "convince" him of doing the campaign. But mostly, I think it's the usual Internet mentality of believing that because you don't like someone or that someone is not your favorite to win a silly award then he surely is a merciless player capable of doing anything to win and, worse, to "steal" the award to your much more worthy but frail and innocent "fave"! There are degrees but yep, they are part of the same culture of the crazies that thought BC got married and invented a fake pregnancy just to win the award!
But I think it's mostly about attacking actors in general. I mean remember how people were convinced that the only reason DiCaprio was doing adult dramas was because he was obsessed with the idea of winning an Oscar? I don't doubt he enjoyed when he finally got the award but I imagine there are other more relevant reasons of why he likes to work with the filmmakers he usually works!
Also it's true that BC's leading roles in films are kind of conventional but it also shows how parochial these "critics" are. BC's better roles until now are on TV. For good or bad, the most daring stuff righ now it's on TV! I totally agreed with Paul Schrader when he said that Patrick Melrose was the best "movie" of 2018 but surely a lot of these "critics" haven't watched it! I'm sure that a Patrick Melrose adaptation with the main themes intact wouldn't be greenlighted for cinema. Why? Because it happened: there was a 2013 adaptation of Mother's Milk by a respected indie UK filmmaker and without big stars that just censored the drugs stuff and the pedophilia! But for TV, there was no problem in doing a comedy about those same themes and with known actors and a Marvel star in the main role!
Jane Campion has talked about it, too. That's why a real daring filmmaker as her was doing TV during the last decade instead of films and one of the reasons she said she went with Netflix for her new movie. A movie starred by BC! I would like to see him doing more films with actual auteurs like her instead of nice mainstream cute little dramas and I hope he do it in the future but you actually doesn't know him as actor if you only know his work for the big screen and ignore his other stuff.
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Post by sgev1977 on Sept 28, 2020 15:00:50 GMT
I think Merab Ninidze is a very charismatic talker!
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Post by sgev1977 on Sept 28, 2020 15:31:15 GMT
They were asked why they changed the title. Also this lovely video of young Dominic Cooke and young Benedict Cumberbatch,
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Post by mllemass on Sept 28, 2020 15:57:58 GMT
I doubt that anyone making those “Oscar bait” comments has seen as much of Benedict’s work as we (in this forum) have. I think, to the average person out there, Benedict is known as a serious actor who only makes “important” movies, while also playing a superhero in a couple of blockbusters. But we know that he’s played lots of different types of roles.
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Post by sgev1977 on Sept 28, 2020 17:12:32 GMT
It's ironic because the first episode of Patrick Melrose seemed like a deranged modern version of the kind of movies that were made in the 70s and 90s (the best decades of American cinema!): it was funny, sad, raw and dirty! It didn't cared about audiences sensibilities. A completely wild ride! I couldn't be more satisfied after that last scene! It, of course, scared a few sensitive souls but it's not a surprise that someone like Paul Schrader loved it. That's the kind of stuff he uses to write!
Then the second one was more European, elegant but also perverse. A gothic horror story full of Almodovarian bright colors.
The thing is it was acclaimed by the right people (like Schrader, James L. Brooks and most TV critics but also completely ignored or/and underestimated by award pundits, the so called Twitter Film and American award associations. It's insane because again it was more daring that anything that year but well... it was most daring that anything that year, not easy to watch and actually demanding.
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