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Post by roverpup on Sept 15, 2020 21:49:52 GMT
By Sherlockers do you perhaps mean Johnlockers?
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Post by sgev1977 on Sept 15, 2020 22:26:37 GMT
Ha! Yes, I forgot the right name!
Anyway, I'm not a fan of Abbington and she clearly isn't very savvy on social media but she was indeed horrible abused. Also it was around the time of BC's marriage so on one side you had the crazies and on the other side the Sherlock crazies sending her death threats and well she probably thought it was the same group and, like the press, generalized BC's fans behavior.
The crazies actually sided with the guy, too! They thought his issues were against the "nannies". All kind of crazies sided with him! I remember a guy defended him on Twitter who had the photos of dead Syrian kids and joked about their deaths!
Also his "issues" weren't just against BC's fans. There were a lot of non fans angry at him for his comments. The guy who admitted that denounced him wasn't a fan and apparently he talked to his superiors before the BC's fans incident because the indiscreet women's photos. Who knows? Maybe there were others complains. He posted a lot of misogynistic stuff (he straightforward said he hated women because his problems with his ex-wife)... apart of the racism and ableism! Again, he apparently has mental health issues. That's what he, Abbington, the press and some of the people who defended him said but maybe if they really loved him they wouldn't let him being on social media and wrote all that awful stuff instead of helping him, they claimed he was the innocent victim of a bunch of nasty bitches!
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Post by roverpup on Sept 15, 2020 22:38:14 GMT
I always thought too that one reason she might have defended him was he was a unionized worker and she might have felt a bit of "solidarity forever" owing to that fact? Can't pull out any hard facts on that one - it is just a feeling I had, IIRC, at the time after reading some tweets surrounding the whole kerfuffle.
Anyway, I'm like you, not a fan of AA, but it just made me grind my teeth when I saw how certain people pummeled her just because she played a character who upset the Johnlocker applecart.
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Post by onebluestocking on Sept 15, 2020 23:24:28 GMT
Speaking of QAnon, as we were earlier on this thread, after the Skeptics I am not surprised how easy it is, for people to convince themselves that total strangers they dislike (the Democrats) are Satan worshipping pedophiles, who kidnap children to drink their blood. It's really not that different from Aeltri saying that Sophie is a drug dealer, involved in child trafficking, former prostitute, imprisoning BC in some kind of cult, etc.
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Post by sgev1977 on Sept 16, 2020 1:08:58 GMT
I always thought too that one reason she might have defended him was he was a unionized worker and she might have felt a bit of "solidarity forever" owing to that fact? Can't pull out any hard facts on that one - it is just a feeling I had, IIRC, at the time after reading some tweets surrounding the whole kerfuffle. Anyway, I'm like you, not a fan of AA, but it just made me grind my teeth when I saw how certain people pummeled her just because she played a character who upset the Johnlocker applecart. It was a sad affair because I don't think people should lost their work for Twitter fights. Even people who post such incredibly awful things like he did. I guess he was kind of "justified" because he is sick. But he wasn't even fired! He quit because he was questioned by his bosses and he totally deserved being questioned because he bragged about the place where he worked on social media meanwhile he made jokes about the inferiority of women, Syrians and disabled kids! He also harassed women on the street. That's actually illegal! So yes, he could get his bosses in trouble! That totally would be the case if it had happened today! But well, apparently the guy had friends in big places who were more interested in talking shit about celebrities who weren't actually involved in the issue at all and mostly, against their female fans. Probably the guy needed some psychological help but all he obtained were "allies" claiming no one should criticize the things he was posting on social media because he was mentally unstable. Imagine using that excuse today! Anyway, if someone is interested some BC's fan that surely didn't knew all this once re-tweeted a comment by him saying how much he loved BC's Richard III! Lol! So he liked him, he (like the "feminist" from The Telegraph) just hates stupid female fans!
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Post by sgev1977 on Sept 16, 2020 1:50:45 GMT
Speaking of QAnon, as we were earlier on this thread, after the Skeptics I am not surprised how easy it is, for people to convince themselves that total strangers they dislike (the Democrats) are Satan worshipping pedophiles, who kidnap children to drink their blood. It's really not that different from Aeltri saying that Sophie is a drug dealer, involved in child trafficking, former prostitute, imprisoning BC in some kind of cult, etc. The QAnon thing seems the most bizarre thing ever but I recently read this book called We Believe The Children about the Satanic Panic in the the 80s and I'm know convinced it's something cultural in the puritanical American mind! There are a lot of parallels and I actually think it's at least slightly related to the Me Too movement. So yes, most bizarre extremists are from the extreme right but it all probably began with the idea that children and women are these innocent human beings incapable of lie. Of course, in the case of children they are indeed innocent creatures but also extremely easy to manipulate, sometimes unintentionally by adults as the 80s hysteria showed it. Of course, real abuse exists but rationality and common sense should prevail when someone is accused and that not always happens with the Me Too movement. So if you blindly believe in for example Justin Bieber's social media accusers even when he posted documents on Twitter that kind of confirmed he wasn't in the place his accuser said he was or to the "journalist" that said on Twitter that she knew a lot of people that in some mysterious way were abused by Jeff Goldblum but that she couldn't say anything concrete. She could just make obscure suggestions on social media that caused such a fuss that people on Twitter take for granted that Goldblum was a sexual pest! (She is a freaking journalist, why the hell she didn't do a formal investigation. Of course, she has some antecedents of randomly accusing people she doesn't like of sexually abusing people she and only she knows but hey! She is woke so she never lies!). Then why not to believe that Tom Hanks raped little children and was killed in New Zealand by the government and now his twin brother is pretending to be him! After all, victims, real or imaginary never lie! A lot of these blindly believing just harm real victims!
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Post by sgev1977 on Sept 16, 2020 2:04:21 GMT
The other day I read this beautiful quote by CS Lewis and I think that's what it's happening in the USA and in the world in general. Especially on social media. People believe their "enemies" are capable of the worst and because that their own actions are, well, the worst:
“Suppose one reads a story of filthy atrocities in the paper. Then suppose that something turns up suggesting that the story might not be quite true, or not quite so bad as it was made out. Is one's first feeling, 'Thank God, even they aren't quite so bad as that,' or is it a feeling of disappointment, and even a determination to cling to the first story for the sheer pleasure of thinking your enemies are as bad as possible? If it is the second then it is, I am afraid, the first step in a process which, if followed to the end, will make us into devils. You see, one is beginning to wish that black was a little blacker. If we give that wish its head, later on we shall wish to see grey as black, and then to see white itself as black. Finally we shall insist on seeing everything -- God and our friends and ourselves included -- as bad, and not be able to stop doing it: we shall be fixed for ever in a universe of pure hatred.”
It's from "Mere Christianity".
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Post by sgev1977 on Sept 16, 2020 3:29:52 GMT
I really hope the Republican party lost in a big way in the next elections. Not just Trump but the whole party because they really need to reform themselves. REALLY!!! Imagine these delusional wackos governing a nation! They probably would try to put Tom Hanks in jail!!!
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Post by queenzod on Sept 16, 2020 6:17:32 GMT
This makes me sick. The thing is, there are MILLIONS of nut jobs out there who believe in QAnon. Millions. It’s not just some small, weird theories like people never walked on the moon or flat earthers. And social media is responsible for spreading this garbage around. If the platforms can’t put the Kabosh on these lies, perhaps social media needs to be shut down. It’s dangerous. That’s where I’m at with it.
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Post by sgev1977 on Sept 16, 2020 12:05:20 GMT
That book I mentioned above has one interesting example of a high ranking politician that was directly involved on the sexual abuse hysteria in the 80s and how her overzealousness about the theme affected her judgement when she had to take an important decision meanwhile working for the government: Janet Reno.
She was a prosecutor and she was considered a some kind of anti- child sexual abuse zar. The problem is that a few of her cases were against very probably innocent individuals. Her office was accused of a lot of irregularities, including torture. All this in their self-righteous fight in favor of abused children!
A lot of prosecutors at the time were just cynic opportunists that hidden information about for example the mental health of adults behind the accusations or the the over the top stories of the kids (witches, satanic rites, evil people with supernatural powers, etc.) in their intent to make the cases more credible for a jury and, well, advancing their own careers but it seemed that a few, like Reno, really believed in the cause and she was sincerity worried about children being sexually abused by adults. She first and foremost believed children. It sounds noble and it was but again you should always take seriously any accusations but not blindly believe it, especially when your work is justice. When she was Attorney General, she had to authorize the Waco, Texas assault and the FBI (which REALLY wanted to attack!) knew which her weak spot was and they falsely told her the children there were being sexually assaulted by adults and well she was mainly trying to save the kids against imaginary pedophiles!
Seriously, (recent) history should never being forgotten!
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