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Post by roverpup on Mar 3, 2017 20:27:12 GMT
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Post by MagdaFR on Mar 3, 2017 21:14:29 GMT
I not understand the need to cast a man to play a woman and vice versa, except perhaps if it is a parody. There was this comedy on tv about a woman on her 50/60 years that when I first saw it I didn't perceived the actor was a man on his thirties. It was a comedy but not a parody. I can understand that the actor wanted to play a woman but, why don't cast a woman? The same I think of Tilda. For her must be challenging and amusing, I guess.
Also old actors, especially women, had so little chances to play good roles that I prefer an old actor playing an old person. The only case I think is valid is if the actor plays the same character when he/she is young and when is old.
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Post by mllemass on Mar 3, 2017 21:53:23 GMT
We don't know why she's dressed that way, but whatever the reason - I love it! She really is pretty amazing at transforming herself for her roles. I don't think men of any age are in danger of losing roles to women. Women are the ones who suffer from sexism and ageism in acting.
With Faye Dunaway and Warren Beatty in the news this week, I was reminded of an interview FD did years ago. She was talking about how hard it was for women over 40 to get roles. She said that although she was younger than WB, she was eventually considered too old to be cast as his leading lady. As he got older, his leading ladies became much younger than he was. And nothing much has changed - we continue to see old men in movies with younger women.
I think Tilda Swinton should play anyone she wants, and maybe set an example for other actresses!
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Post by roverpup on Mar 3, 2017 23:50:48 GMT
We really don't know anything about the casting of TS in this role so I am not going to speculate as to what character she is playing or what kind of movie it is. But I totally agree with Mllemass that Swinton is an amazing actress and should be allowed to play any role she wants.
As for women playing men in non-parody roles my mind goes back to one of my favourite movies - The Year of Living Dangerously and Linda Hunt being cast as Billy Kwan. She won for Best Supporting Actress at the Oscars that year for that role.
Found this on Wikipedia Peter Weir's decision to cast Hunt in the role -
She was the best "man" for the job| as far as I am concerned. Just like TS was the best actor for the job of TAO in DS.
I am just thinking - what if TYOLD was made today how the SJW on Tumblr would respond to someone like Hunt playing a man of colour in that movie? And yet I can't imagine any other actor would have give the right nuance to that character the way she did in that film.
Just something to think about...
:-))
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Post by queenzod on Mar 4, 2017 2:34:28 GMT
I am not attached to certain types of actors being cast as certain types of characters. Some of the most insightful performances and juxtapositions have come from casting someone unexpected in the role. Part of the pleasure of watching actors is how far they can stretch themselves to become another person. If we start limiting casting, we're going to lose some wonderful opportunities. Not to mention actors want to be challenged in a role; it is the source of their creativity.
I think the problems we're having isn't about casting so much as it's about the writing and the sense of risk the studios and producers are willing to take. There is great headway being made. It's slow, but it's happening.
Tilda looks fabulous! You go, girl!
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Post by igs on Mar 4, 2017 7:16:29 GMT
I think Tilda can pull it off. I still want her to play Bowie if they ever make a film of him. (Although I've come to think Dane DeHaan would be pretty sweet for that role too if they went younger.) She's one of the very few actors who can imho believably portray both a man and a woman.
Generally I don't like men playing women except when it's actual drag, which I enjoy a lot (drag shows, RuPaul's show etc) - or in a scenario where it's for some actual reason required. The type of comedy which comes from men playing women is almost always extremely unfunny in my opinion. Don't know about women playing men, since that is not a comedic trope and is so much more rare. I doubt it'll ever become mainstream because it's a bit of an unnecessary strain on a movie budget to keep making a woman look like a man through make-up and styling when you could just throw an actual man in front of the camera and spare all that extra time and money.
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Post by MagdaFR on Mar 4, 2017 8:58:58 GMT
I still want her to play Bowie I was going to mention this and forgot. That is a role I understand if they cast Tilda. The type of comedy which comes from men playing women is almost always extremely unfunny in my opinion. I was thinking on things like Jack Lemmon in Some like it hot. There are other comedies like Tootsie or the one played by Robin Williams. I was never interested on seeing them. I don't know about women playing men except as women dressed as men for various reasons. |
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Post by MagdaFR on Mar 4, 2017 9:20:31 GMT
I said so. I understand the actors. I don't think studios/producers are taking any risks. Most of the movies are remakes, sequels, prequels, spinoffs, biopics. There is very little originality. |
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Post by MagdaFR on Mar 4, 2017 9:42:18 GMT
I just stated that I don't understand to cast a woman to play a man, I think they do it because it looks cool. I speculate.  And I don't get defending Tilda if nobody was attacking her. You are speculating. I didn't watch that movie. Apparently they were trying to project layers of sexual ambiguity. In that case maybe it was useful. |
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Post by roverpup on Mar 4, 2017 16:43:46 GMT
The Year of Living Dangerously is one of the few Mel Gibson movies I actually really love (the other is Gallipoli). But it is so much more than just a "Mel Gibson" vehicle - it examines a country (Indonesia) in turmoil just before the advent of the Vietnam War (a war that really got all the attention) that few North Americans were ever exposed to, and it also looks at complex characters, ideas and ideologies with a nuance that isn't often found in mainstream films. It is a personal film (exploring characters and relationships), it is a political commentary and a thriller, all wrapped up in one. it is also beautifully shot by Peter Weir. If you haven't seen it, treat yourself someday and do so. Here's an excellent review of the film by Roger Ebert - www.rogerebert.com/reviews/the-year-of-living-dangerously-1983And as a bonus he goes into a bit of depth about the character of Billy Kwan because he must of felt like I did, that the true key character of the film is Billy K., not the romantic lead played by MG (although he does do a very good job as the young correspondent). Can't recommend this film enough. :-)) |
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And I don't get defending Tilda if nobody was attacking her.