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Post by ellie on Mar 5, 2017 22:18:16 GMT
Coolclearwaters you seem to know more about the Petersen case than me. Did anybody ever raise the fact that one of the adopted daughters looks extremely like Mike Petersen. I'm looking at more of the documentary and the resemblance seems quite obvious.
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Post by mllemass on Mar 5, 2017 23:41:23 GMT
Anyone got any theories on the Jon Benet Ramsey death? That happened here in my town and remains unsolved. Everyone here has a theory. That really happened in your town? Do people there still talk about it all the time? Whether or not the parents did it, I always found it creepy that they had their little girl so heavily involved in beauty pageants. They always publish the same photos of JBR, with the blond curls. But if you look at her baby pictures, you can see that she didn't become blond until she started competing in pageants. I had a friend whose mother did the same thing with her. Instead of pageants, she was heavily involved in dance classes and competitions. This friend always had long blond hair, but one day she phoned me and told me she had done something to her hair. I thought she had got it cut short, but no, she said she had dyed it brown. When I saw her the next day with brown hair, she told me that her mother had always wanted a blond daughter, and so had been bleaching her hair since she was born. But the upkeep was so time-consuming that my friend wanted to put a stop to it. We were only 12 years old at the time. Wouldn't that be considered a form of child abuse? I thought her mother was insane. Besides the hair, she was always encouraging my friend to wear shorter skirts - even when longer styles came into fashion. And she would tell her often that she was the most beautiful girl in the world. It was all so creepy, and that's what I saw in the JBR case.
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Post by coolclearwaters on Mar 5, 2017 23:44:52 GMT
Ellie, I usually agree with you, too. The number of innocent people in this country who are convicted is scandalous, but in this case, I have to paraphrase Vincent Bugliosi about the OJ verdict - If he didn't kill her then she's not dead! (I agree with him about OJ, too.) It's actually been a long time since I saw the trial. Obviously it made an impression on me. LOL. I don't remember whether daughters looked like him. Wouldn't surprise me though.
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Post by ellie on Mar 6, 2017 0:24:44 GMT
Only one of the adopted daughters looked like him but it was so obvious I'm surprised it wasn't mentioned.
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Post by coolclearwaters on Mar 6, 2017 0:29:29 GMT
Anyone got any theories on the Jon Benet Ramsey death? That happened here in my town and remains unsolved. Everyone here has a theory. That really happened in your town? Do people there still talk about it all the time? Whether or not the parents did it, I always found it creepy that they had their little girl so heavily involved in beauty pageants. They always publish the same photos of JBR, with the blond curls. But if you look at her baby pictures, you can see that she didn't become blond until she started competing in pageants. I had a friend whose mother did the same thing with her. Instead of pageants, she was heavily involved in dance classes and competitions. This friend always had long blond hair, but one day she phoned me and told me she had done something to her hair. I thought she had got it cut short, but no, she said she had dyed it brown. When I saw her the next day with brown hair, she told me that her mother had always wanted a blond daughter, and so had been bleaching her hair since she was born. But the upkeep was so time-consuming that my friend wanted to put a stop to it. We were only 12 years old at the time. Wouldn't that be considered a form of child abuse? I thought her mother was insane. Besides the hair, she was always encouraging my friend to wear shorter skirts - even when longer styles came into fashion. And she would tell her often that she was the most beautiful girl in the world. It was all so creepy, and that's what I saw in the JBR case. Very creepy!!! Some parents can be so strange! Queenzod, You and others here might be interested in a documentary I saw about a terrible injustice that took place in Denver, Once Upon a Crime: The Borelli Davis Conspiracy. I can't believe this film has never found distribution. The story is fascinating and it's beautifully directed. The trailer is on their website I think you can view the whole doc online somewhere, but I never know about the legality of those sites. The murder took place in the 70s around the time of The Godfather movies when some people in Colorado (and many other states, I'm sure) thought anyone who was Italian and from NYC must have been in the mafia. Borelli was a former police officer from NYC who still lived there, but invested in a restaurant in Denver. As I recall, his business partner was a big gambler who ran up some debts that got him murdered. Borelli knew nothing about it, had nothing whatsoever to do with the mafia. He just had an Italian name. His former partner on the NYPD visited him once in Colorado and convicted even though the wife of the man who was murdered and who was also shot said that he was not the killer. (He was black and the shooter was not. Details!) These 2 men were convicted of murder on no evidence other than the false testimony of the man who turned out to be the actual killer. They were later completely exonerated after many years in prison. They seem like lovely men who are still friends and have led exemplary lives after all of their suffering. The film really goes into the corruption that resulted in their conviction and protected the real killer. There are a lot of fascinating details. Elvis is even involved at one point! LOL!
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Post by igs on Mar 6, 2017 8:30:12 GMT
Anyone got any theories on the Jon Benet Ramsey death? I read about that some time ago, they showed the documentary on it on Finnish TV but I missed it. The investigation seems a bit flimsy, one expert claiming that the ransom note was written by the victim's mother, another expert that it was by some man? That's a rather big difference by experts in hand-writing. But yes, sometimes determining guilt can be a tricky process, unfortunately this is often result of a badly executed police investigation. For example, here in Finland we have this case where a man was murdered and thereon it takes a turn for the absolutely farcical. His wife claimed that an unknown assailant had come in and killed him, for some reason no one suspected her until days later during which she had the chance to actually clean out some of the murder location! Later someone finally realized that hey, murder victim's spouse, shouldn't that be the first person we suspect regardless of said spouse's gender? So she went under investigation but by then the trail was cold and the evidence was not strong enough - she got convicted to life for murder in court of first instance, then completely acquitted when she appealed, then the Supreme court returned the case to court of first instance (which they shouldn't!) because all of a sudden there was tons of new evidence - like testimony from her and her late husband's children and a covert mission where a police officer went under cover as her love interest (seriously, this is NOT the norm for Finland, it's easily the most dramatic murder case we've ever had!) So the court of first instance again sentenced her to life for murder, appellate court again acquitted her...along the way she got convicted to 7,5 years for two cases of aggravated rape, three cases of child molestation and three cases of assault. Go figure. So she went to prison for unrelated crimes, but the murder remains officially unsolved (everyone thinks she did it.) 55 police officers also were tried for breach of duty in relation to this bonkers case.
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Post by ellie on Mar 6, 2017 9:55:45 GMT
Sounds bizarre IGS. But true life is stranger than fiction. We had a case here of an architect who led a seemingly very happy family life. But it turned out he was seeing another woman to play out very sadistic sex fantasies. Apparently one of his fantasies was of actually killing the woman and one day he did. He met her in a remote spot, killed her and threw her her belongings and various paraphernalia like handcuffs in a rucksack into a reservoir. It was only a series of lucky breaks that brought the case to light. A dog being walked in the area found the body then an unusually dry period lowered the level of the reservoir and washed up the rucksack etc which was found by two fisherman. They thought the contents were strange and told the police. Then it has to be said some top class police work was done to connect the rucksack to the body found by the dog and trace the whole thing back to the architect. Here's the story for anyone interested. www.google.ie/amp/www.thejournal.ie/graham-dwyer-summary-1994748-Mar2015/%3Famp%3D1
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Post by mllemass on Mar 6, 2017 13:21:08 GMT
I agree - truth can be stranger than fiction.
Years ago, my sister used to babysit two little boys. She called me one day to tell me their mother had died. I thought she meant grandmother, but no - their young mother had drowned when they'd gone away on a little holiday. The tragic story was in the news - young father left to raise his two sons alone. They moved in with his parents so that the boys' grandparents could help out, and my sister never saw them again.
But about a year later, they were in the news again. The dead woman's parents never believed their daughter had drowned and wanted the police to investigate. And they did. Her husband was charged with her murder. The news coverage of the trial was shocking! He had been leading a double life. He had been having a relationship with a woman he met online who testified that he had told her he was a widower. He hadn't had a job in years even though his wife and family thought he went to work each day. It turns out that the dead woman had been an excellent swimmer, so he had drugged her before holding her underwater when they had gone to the lake. The police hadn't questioned how she had drowned because his story had sounded perfectly plausible - she'd had a bit too much to drink, fell into the water, he tried to help her but he'd been drinking too -so tragic!
He was found guilty. There were witnesses that night at the lake who heard them having a terrible fight, and an autopsy found drugs in her system. The grandparents continued to raise the two little boys while their father went to prison. It's so weird that we knew these people - we knew a murderer! And not only that, I had gone to high school with his sister, one of the scariest people I've ever known - and she was only 14 at the time! I guess that personality runs in families.
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Post by sgev1977 on Dec 3, 2020 2:05:34 GMT
I saw the documentary on Netflix. They added three new "episodes" then (in 2018).
Of course, it's impossible to say if he is innocent or not but the series make a compelling case in his favor. That totally could be about the filmmakers manipulating the audience. But yes, the first dead woman wasn't his first wife (actually she is alive and defended him) and it was confirmed that the prosecution altered some evidence.
There was an extra clip on Netflix in which someone gave a kind of crazy theory about what could had happened: he says that maybe she was attacked by a big bird before entering the house and inside she tried to go to her room but she was dizzy because the attack and the wine and fell. The blood and the wounds would be because the bird! It sounds insane but apparently owls attacks are frequent there during certain months (of course, that would had been a very extreme case!) and apparently they found at least a few small bird feathers on her head.
I still felt bad for her sisters and daughter who are convinced that he is guilty. I just don't know!
Anyway, they are making a movie with Harrison Ford in the leading role.
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