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Post by mllemass on Jul 12, 2021 1:18:47 GMT
Reading about Louis Wain has reminded me of Benedict’s Painted With Words, which I re-watched recently. Vincent Van Gogh sold few paintings during his lifetime, suffered with mental illness, and finally killed himself. It was so sad. His paintings are gorgeous!
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Post by dickens38 on Jul 12, 2021 1:44:57 GMT
I too am a an ardent fan of Vincent. Indeed, I've 6 prints in my house, one of which is the Irises. There was a programme on TV months ago, where there was possible evidence that he didn't shoot himself, a youth did by accident mucking about with a gun in a barn.
The authors of a new biography of Vincent Van Gogh claim the artist died after being accidentally shot, and did not kill himself as is commonly thought.
Van Gogh: The Life claims the impressionist painter was shot accidentally by teenage brothers with a malfunctioning gun at a farm in Auvers-sur-Oise in France.
One of the authors, Steven Naifeh, says Van Gogh was grateful for his approaching death and decided to take the blame himself, protecting the teenagers and casting himself as a martyr.
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Post by sgev1977 on Jul 12, 2021 1:53:36 GMT
That theory is shown in Julian Schnabel’s At Eternity’s Gate. Also, I recently watched Loving Vincent and they also consider the teenagers theory, too, but then they brilliantly rejected it. One of the characters literally explains to another why the suicide version is the logical one.
Of course, we will never know what really happened to him.
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Jul 12, 2021 4:45:54 GMT
Post by mllemass on Jul 12, 2021 4:45:54 GMT
That version of the story is even sadder than the suicide!
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Jul 12, 2021 12:42:21 GMT
Post by ellie on Jul 12, 2021 12:42:21 GMT
That was my point! Whether or not he was schizophrenic, his art wasn’t proof of it. I’m not a psychiatrist, but I’ve spent most of my life studying and producing art. It’s true that artists can reveal a lot about themselves in their work. And I agree that LW might have taken what he was feeling and thinking, and turned it into those electrical-looking cat paintings. Really? What is it that you do Mllemass? Are you an artist yourself?
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Jul 12, 2021 12:44:55 GMT
Post by ellie on Jul 12, 2021 12:44:55 GMT
I too am a an ardent fan of Vincent. Indeed, I've 6 prints in my house, one of which is the Irises. There was a programme on TV months ago, where there was possible evidence that he didn't shoot himself, a youth did by accident mucking about with a gun in a barn. The authors of a new biography of Vincent Van Gogh claim the artist died after being accidentally shot, and did not kill himself as is commonly thought.
Van Gogh: The Life claims the impressionist painter was shot accidentally by teenage brothers with a malfunctioning gun at a farm in Auvers-sur-Oise in France.
One of the authors, Steven Naifeh, says Van Gogh was grateful for his approaching death and decided to take the blame himself, protecting the teenagers and casting himself as a martyr.
Interesting. I’m not the biggest fan of his work but can appreciate that he was a genius. Sad that he was so troubled but then that seems to be the way with lots of exceptionally gifted people.
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Post by mllemass on Jul 12, 2021 15:55:58 GMT
I have a degree in Art and Art History, and I taught art for years. But I don’t make my living selling my art, so I’m not a professional artist.
Something I learned in my studies is that many artists gained fame because they were the first to do something. We may look at their work now and think it’s not a big deal, but they changed the way artists approached their work.
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Jul 12, 2021 16:14:44 GMT
Post by ellie on Jul 12, 2021 16:14:44 GMT
I have a degree in Art and Art History, and I taught art for years. But I don’t make my living selling my art, so I’m not a professional artist. Something I learned in my studies is that many artists gained fame because they were the first to do something. We may look at their work now and think it’s not a big deal, but they changed the way artists approached their work. How lovely to be talented enough to teach art. Do you produce any works for yourself & family, friends etc. I used to be quite good at drawing at school but was a very messy painter!
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Jul 12, 2021 18:18:13 GMT
Post by mllemass on Jul 12, 2021 18:18:13 GMT
Yes, I do stuff for my own enjoyment and for others if they ask.
Being “messy” is not an issue with art! Everyone has their own style, and being neat and tidy isn’t an advantage. In my first year of university, our drawing instructor gave us assignments each week to do at home and hand in on Mondays. While we were busy doing our work, he’d go through our drawings and tape them to the wall - in order, from best to worst. He never actually came out and said that he was putting them in that order, but we figured it out pretty quickly! When he was done, he’d gather us around and talk about each drawing, pointing out what he liked about it. He never went all the way to the end, and never said anything negative about any of them. Our names were never on the front, so he never knew who had done them until he asked. My drawings were always the first or second on the wall. It used to really annoy my friend who tried so hard to make pretty drawings, but he preferred mine. It turned out that the instructor had a very similar “messy” style to mine - but he was much better, of course!
I can vividly remember his comment about the drawings of my feet (that was our assignment - 6 drawings of our feet) - he said that those feet were the only ones that looked like they could walk around carrying a person. Ha!
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Jul 12, 2021 18:22:57 GMT
Post by ellie on Jul 12, 2021 18:22:57 GMT
Yes, I do stuff for my own enjoyment and for others if they ask. Being “messy” is not an issue with art! Everyone has their own style, and being neat and tidy isn’t an advantage. In my first year of university, our drawing instructor gave us assignments each week to do at home and hand in on Mondays. While we were busy doing our work, he’d go through our drawings and tape them to the wall - in order, from best to worst. He never actually came out and said that he was putting them in that order, but we figured it out pretty quickly! When he was done, he’d gather us around and talk about each drawing, pointing out what he liked about it. He never went all the way to the end, and never said anything negative about any of them. Our names were never on the front, so he never knew who had done them until he asked. My drawings were always the first or second on the wall. It used to really annoy my friend who tried so hard to make pretty drawings, but he preferred mine. It turned out that the instructor had a very similar “messy” style to mine - but he was much better, of course! I can vividly remember his comment about the drawings of my feet (that was our assignment - 6 drawings of our feet) - he said that those feet were the only ones that looked like they could walk around carrying a person. Ha! Somehow I think your messy is artistic messy where as I suspect mine is just messy messy. 😀
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