Some things just get under your skin in a way other things don’t. This is one for me. I’ve always liked Alec (despite his temper and his wildly liberal politics), and I just can’t imagine how horrible this is for him, as well as for the family of that poor woman and the entire cast and crew. People still talk about Brandon Lee all these years later and it’s always a tragedy when something like this happens.
Some people have been saying why even use a gun with blanks at this point? It’s too dangerous. You can add the sound and they cgi in the bullet anyway. Maybe this can spur that change so nothing like this ever happens again.
Post by sorcerersupreme on Oct 22, 2021 18:11:41 GMT
Any sane person with morals should never read any comment section honestly. Yet I keep making the mistake of looking thinking this time it might be different, but it never is, is it. A lot of the nasty comments are from the alt right gleefully talking crap about an individual just because of his political views. They don't even care about Halyna. Just using the tragic event as a tool to release their venom on someone they hate.
I don't even know where to start. The fact that we're still using prop guns even in this day and age is beyond me. I had flashbacks to Brandon Lee (I still can't watch The Crow). Poor Halyna and her family . And then you can't even imagine what Alec must be going through and it's even worse when you know him & Alyssa Milano also helped launch an anti-NRA campaign. The hurt he must be going through my god. I saw a picture on an article of Alec after the incident and it almost made me cry. Poor guy was barely holding it together. Can you blame him ? Having to live with a killing . I hope he gets the emotional support. Same for Halyna's family. She had kids as well (.
This is me going on a off topic rant so you can skip this part but I had to vent. The internet can really be such a depressing place. I felt the same way recently with the whole Dave Chappelle-Netflix incident and how many people side with him over the Trans community.
“With The Closer we understand that the concern is not about offensive-to-some content, but titles which could increase real world harm … While some employees disagree, we have a strong belief that content on screen doesn’t directly translate to real-world harm,” Netflix co-CEO Ted Sarandos said.
Then why did they delete an episode of Community of Dungeons and Dragons where Ken Jeong dressed up as a dark elf and Netflix found it offensive enough to take the entire episode down but didn't take the episode of IT Crowd down in which a trans woman character is violently attacked as a comedy bit or the episode of Community where Abeds muslim dad was portrayed even more offensively and wrongly. You can be offensive against Trans, Muslim, Gay, Asian and every other marginalized group over here we'll let that slide and laugh with you but not against blacks. But they won't take Chappelle's show down even though it did indeed cause real-world harm when the episode of Community did not. Am I surprised of course not it's capitalism, Netflix will defend what makes them a lot of money. But my disappointment was with the overwhelming reactions online in defence of Netflix and Chappelle when I was foolishly hoping the overwhelming majority would do the more humane thing and not side with the rich and powerful and actually side with the Trans community who have been suffering a great deal. My point and what upsets me is the double standards. If you're going to take hard measures when it comes to one marginalized group you better not look the other way with every other marginalized group. It's not just the alt right that defended Chappelle and Netflix btw, it's the left as well. It’s not an organic, positive attempt at responding to the complaints of marginalized communities; it’s a craven, hypocritical distraction created by capitalism to hijack the concerns of marginalized people. It's all just so depressing.
There are lots of folks in the comments section who are pushing back against all the horrible people. Most of it is just ignorance (why was there a loaded gun on set?) I don’t know why this is, but there’s many more good people than bad, it’s just the terrible people are so damn vocal.
I didn’t get caught up in the Chappelle stuff because it was so nasty. The show, Netflix’s reaction, etc., was morally bankrupt. I’m too old and tired at this point to get outraged anymore. But I still believe the good outweighs the bad on an individual basis.
Post by sorcerersupreme on Oct 23, 2021 13:37:25 GMT
More information is coming out as to why this happened and it's looking even worse.
Hours before actor Alec Baldwin fatally shot a cinematographer on the New Mexico set of “Rust” with a prop gun, a half-dozen camera crew workers walked off the set to protest working conditions.
Safety protocols standard in the industry, including gun inspections, were not strictly followed on the “Rust” set near Santa Fe, the sources said. They said at least one of the camera operators complained last weekend to a production manager about gun safety on the set.
Three crew members who were present at the Bonanza Creek Ranch set on Saturday said they were particularly concerned about two accidental prop gun discharges.
Baldwin’s stunt double accidentally fired two rounds Saturday after being told that the gun was “cold” — lingo for a weapon that doesn’t have any ammunition, including blanks — two crew members who witnessed the episode told the Los Angeles Times.
“There should have been an investigation into what happened,” a crew member said. “There were no safety meetings. There was no assurance that it wouldn’t happen again. All they wanted to do was rush, rush, rush.”
A colleague was so alarmed by the prop gun misfires that he sent a text message to the unit production manager. “We’ve now had 3 accidental discharges. This is super unsafe,” according to a copy of the message reviewed by The Times.
Hutchins had been advocating for safer conditions for her team and was tearful when the camera crew left, said one crew member who was on the set.
“She said, ‘I feel like I’m losing my best friends,’” recalled one of the workers.
As the camera crew — members of the International Alliance of Theatrical Stage Employees — spent about an hour assembling their gear at the Bonanza Creek Ranch, several nonunion crew members showed up to replace them, two of the knowledgeable people said.
One of the producers ordered the union members to leave the set and threatened to call security to remove them if they didn’t leave voluntarily.
“Corners were being cut — and they brought in non-union people so they could continue shooting,” the knowledgeable person said.
The shooting occurred about six hours after the union camera crew left.
IATSE members are saying that the union Camera Crew all quit because of safety issues. They were replaced by non-union workers on Friday morning the day of the shooting. Union members specifically quit because of the use of live ammo on the set previously - and two separate accounts of weapons misfiring.
Here's a Twitter compilation of the film crews on-set posting, prior to the incident:
Alec Baldwin is apparently the producer that hired the film company but it was the company's choice to fire the union-workers and hire scabs. Within a day after this the incident happened. Alec was vocally against to the hiring of scabs.
I pray for Alecs mental well being. I hope he doesn't have any alcohol/drugs/depression issues because I'm afraid this incident might push him towards self-destruction. The actor who accidentally killed Brandon Lee from the film The Crow has never been the same since . And I don't really know much about Alec (all I know he is an actor) so I hope he doesn't have many mental demons because this might drive a person to self-destruction. I genuinely hope he gets the help he needs.
A very talented cinematographer has passed away because of a company's negligence. RIP to Halyna. I hope this incident leads to some real change so this never happens again. Brandon Lee's death should have been that moment but alas.
There are going to be so many lawsuits over this. They failed to have the necessary safety procedures in place or follow them, and there was absolutely no reason to have live ammo on set, much less put it into the gun, unless someone thought it was dummy bullets. What a horrendous mess.
Ghislaine Maxwell is a horrible individual - just like her father.
As for Alec Baldwin. I simply don’t know what went on so it is impossible to apportion blame. I’m always very suspicious of third parties who sue for compensation. Is their testimony driven by truth or the desire to use the situation for their own financial gain. So I retain some skepticism about their evidence.
Hopefully the official investigation will deliver some clarity on the situation.
I agree on Alec Baldwin’s behaviour. I appreciate that he has small children and normal life, such as celebrating and dressing up for Halloween, needs to go on for their sake. But posting the photos on social media was insensitive to say the least when the poor woman he shot’s funeral hadn’t even taken place. Not to mention her husband & son for whom Halloween was no doubt a very sad occasion.