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Post by MagdaFR on Jul 5, 2022 15:48:16 GMT
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Post by sgev1977 on Jul 9, 2022 16:37:07 GMT
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Post by sgev1977 on Jul 9, 2022 16:45:57 GMT
Who is saying DS2 is a box office disappointment?! Lol
Film Twitter is crazy and I’m sure the losers said it! It made more than the “acclaimed” new Batman!
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Post by queenzod on Jul 9, 2022 21:47:44 GMT
Artistically it was a bit disappointing, but if they’re talking box office only, it did amazing. People tend to misremember what was said last week in order to craft their own narrative, lol.
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Post by sgev1977 on Jul 9, 2022 22:45:19 GMT
In the old times a bad movie being a major hit meant a major movie star because people weren’t caring about quality in that case just teh lead! Yes, I know it’s Marvel, no BC* but still DS did more than the acclaimed Batman and will be bigger than Thor, allegedly also a more famous character in a more family oriented movie. Surely, it benefited for being in Spider-Man which was massive. We will see what happens next! I hope they keep Sam Raimi and give him more artistic control.
*Also BC’s star power has always been underestimated. I mean, he isn’t Di Caprio or Bullock or Cruise or Sandler, a member of the old last group of real movie stars but no one is nowadays! He still has have a good number of hits in which he clearly carried the projects. I remember that people on IMDb used to say that British Internet boyfriends like him, Hiddleston, Fassbender or Hardy, really never had a major box office success with them like the stars at the same time when TIG was doing almost $240M with a budget of just $14M! That was big but it was always ignored because Film Twitter/IMDb forums decided to ignored it! It was also before DS and Marvel.
In theatre, Hamlet broke all records and it was just recently topped by, I think, a Studio Ghibli adaptation.
DS was the best solo debut Marvel film at the time until being overshadowed by the cultural phenomenon that was Black Panther. He was then in the Infinity War movie in which he wasn’t the lead but it was massive meanwhile at the same time he starred in another huge hit also ignored by Film Twitter because it wasn’t a)Marvel; b) so vulgar as Jim Carrey’s version; c) genuinely made for kids and not adults who like kiddies stuff: The Grinch! I remember someone on Twitter claiming that, contrary to Chris Pratt, he hadn’t a successful career outside Marvel at that point and that’s subjective but BC had one Top Ten non-Marvel Box office super hit of that year and had just won his BAFTA for Patrick Melrose! How is not that being successful both artistically and commercially! But again, social media see whatever they want to see even when it’s clearly not truth and numbers/money are much easily to measure than quality. (Journalist, especially British ones, are the same. I still remember that piece accusing BC of being obsessed to win an Oscar and falling miserably because TCW, when there were multiple reasons for it to fail, including a huge sex scandal and a POC filmmaker losing control of his film because a despotic producer. They didn’t care for that! It’s only an issue when the filmmaker is already famous. It was the UK press celebrating that the posh actor didn’t have a hit and accusing him of not taking risks at the same time he was doing The Child in Time and Patrick Melrose. Two very daring productions that weren’t designed to win Oscars, by the way! )
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Post by queenzod on Jul 10, 2022 3:20:19 GMT
I find it difficult when success is measured by one (or two) factors, such as box office, Twitter discourse, weeks in the “charts,” or critic’s darlings. Isn’t success measured by larger questions? Someone might say TPotD wasn’t successful because it didn’t clinch Best Film at the Oscars, which of course is a nonsense statement.
The Current War was actually very daring in its own way and I thought it successful, if you ask did the creatives realize their vision? BC wasn’t playing a hero or even an anti-hero like many of those “top box office” actors do. He was playing an unpleasant, vain man whose behaviors turned suspect after he suffered a tremendous loss. His grief and vanity steered him into attempting to crush his opponent instead of working with him, and his ego blocked him from seeing any of how that was unfolding for him. It’s quite a fabulous performance, almost tragic, despite what happened with the marketing, the director’s vision being usurped, and that creep Weinstein. The final product (which I’ve watched 8-10 times), is excellent but not uplifting. It’s not pablum.
If you’re going to spend your whole acting career playing heroes you might do well at the box office (Tom Cruise, cough cough), but you’re not going to be as acclaimed as someone like BC who has mastered multiple media (film [indie & studio stuff], tv, radio, theatre, narration), is clearly a deep, character driven performer, and (most importantly) is a nice, fun, precise, down to earth guy people LOVE to work with.
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Post by Hannah Lee on Jul 10, 2022 12:46:07 GMT
I find it difficult when success is measured by one (or two) factors, such as box office, Twitter discourse, weeks in the “charts,” or critic’s darlings. Isn’t success measured by larger questions? Someone might say TPotD wasn’t successful because it didn’t clinch Best Film at the Oscars, which of course is a nonsense statement. You’re so right about that. It seems like, at least on the interwebs, when people are insisting on the one factor when evaluating a film, it’s because they have an agenda of trying to tear xyz down, or prove their fave always comes out on top. And also the “it was a failure because it didn’t win THE ONE TOP PRIZE “ IS silly logic: that’s just one thing and all the nominated films were successful by some measure because they got noticed and were one of a handful nominated. It’s like when two sports teams make it to the playoffs after being the top two teams in the league all season. The one team loses the final playoff game, and immediately there are a slew of articles “what when wrong with the Mets this year!” And their coach gets fired for being bad and failing. But they weren’t bad, they were one of the top two teams!
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Post by queenzod on Jul 10, 2022 15:16:57 GMT
Can you imagine what film would be like if directors (and actors) got paid to win instead of turning out an artistic product? Coaches get paid to win because there’s so much money in sports and if they don’t pull in a winning season, they’re out. Sometimes they get given a season or two to build up a team if there’s just been a huge shakeup, but sports is all about the money (and winning).
You could make an argument that there’s tons of money in movies, too, but you don’t fire a director (or not hire them again), because they didn’t win an Oscar. It’s not quite a good analogy on my part but there’s a little something there.
A director goes in for a job and a producer won’t hire them because their last 3 films didn’t do well at the box office or win the prerequisite number of awards, lol. Although I can see this happening because of Capitalism! But film pretends it doesn’t matter because of ART.
Do you think BC regards himself as a successful actor?
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Post by sgev1977 on Jul 10, 2022 15:51:14 GMT
Of course, he is a successful actor! He leads both the best 2021 film and the (until now) second more popular 2022 movie!
An example that filmmakers doesn’t lost their job because they doesn’t win the Oscar is Netflix funding Campion’s pop out school! It was just Twitter that speculated that Netflix hated auteurs and won’t give them one dollar again! They came to that conclusion just because it’s cool to hate Netflix but we actually doesn’t know which it’s their plan. Still, they are paying for Campion courses!
Box Office is another thing! I can see people losing jobs or even careers because their movies failed at the Box Office. Money and numbers doesn’t lie and they are something tangible that you can actually count.
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Post by sgev1977 on Jul 10, 2022 16:08:19 GMT
OT but about him wanting to work with Anderson (TBH he mostly mentions the “other” Anderson but he certainly had claimed The Royal Tenenbaums is one of his favorite films ever), I remember that Jude Law said in one The Great Budapest Hotel BTS interviews that he “harassed” Anderson until he gave him a role in one of his films and I remember that I thought that such a shame it was a very peripheral role and he hadn’t worked with him again! (Most of his cast do peripheral roles but they are constantly there) And now I think that BC is lucky that, if he also “harassed” Anderson, he got a lead role! Hopefully, he continues working with him even if it’s in small roles and cameos like others do but at least he has already a title main character in one of his films.
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