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Post by sgev1977 on May 23, 2022 1:44:38 GMT
I saw a tweet by a silly guy asking which important movies has Netflix actually produced apart of Roma and The Irishman then being unhappy with people's answers! Lol A lot of TPOTD mentions by the way!
Anyway, thinking about it, I'm not even sure I have The Irishman and Roma in my top 5! I think they both are great but, apart of TPOTD which, of course, is there, I loved Happy as Lazaro, Atlantics, His House, Beast of No Nation, Prayers for the Stolen and, even, the underappreciated The Ballad of Buster Scruggs slightly more! (those are more than 5, I know) But most of those films aren't even in English so probably Film Twitter doesn't consider them "important"!
Anyway, someone remember more really good originals?
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Post by mllemass on May 26, 2022 18:44:02 GMT
How do we know whether Netflix produced something, unless we watch it and watch the credits? Do they have a specific list posted?
I’ve watched some movies/series that I’ve liked, but I don’t know if they are produced by Netflix. I’ve never watched anything as a good as TPOTD, though. That movie is a masterpiece!
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Post by roverpup on May 26, 2022 21:05:54 GMT
There is a list in Wikipedia of all Netflix productions (subdivided by years) and it also distinguishes between productions that were feature films, those that were series and those that were limited series.
For me Beasts of No Nation, The Siege of Jadotville, The Power of the Dog, ROMA, The Irishman, El Camino, The Two Popes, Mank, and Passing are the ones to watch. I also found Marriage Story and The Dig quite interesting. I tried to watch Buster Scruggs and found it irritatingly stupid and cartoonish so I turned it off. If I was in a movie theatre I would have walked out.
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Post by sgev1977 on May 27, 2022 13:59:50 GMT
Buster Scruggs was cartonish in the way the Coens have always been (almost Bugs Bunny!) but there's a few stories there: some ridiculous (the title story at the beginning, for example) and other were more philosophical and more realistically cruel and desperate in their irony: the Tom Waits and Liam Neeson bits, for example.
The last one was a brilliantly symbolic and almost supernatural story about some awfully shallow human beings that maybe or maybe not are accepting their own mortality (Are they in the purgatory?)
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Post by sgev1977 on Jun 1, 2022 22:52:23 GMT
That DiscussingFilm tweet has been widely talked on Film Twitter but I read the original piece and I agreed with Tobias: that was the author of the article, not someone from Netflix saying it?
On the other hand, someone who claims worked for Netflix said they closed the department that greenlighted movies like TPOTD. We will see but according to the piece, they plan to continue with the artistic stuff.
Anyway, it kind of bothers me Twitter mentions of TPOTD because even if the quote about The Irishman were indeed from Netflix, both films had a very different history. I mean, I know they are both "prestige" and by real auteurs but the issue with The Irishman was that big studios refused to finance it for years because Scorsese wanted to use very expensive technology to make his old stars much younger (instead of use much younger actors) That was widely reported at the time! It was a very expensive movie: $200 millions! It's very rude to call it just a "vanity project", especially because according to Netflix it was a huge hit but the reason it was called that, it was because it was incredibly expensive. That's kind of obvious! TPOTD was much more cheaper so I doubt that whoever said that was referring to TPOTD or other films like it! Anyway, we will see what happens this year and the next one with Wes Anderson-BC collaboration. Luckily, that is already filmed!
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Post by sgev1977 on Jun 2, 2022 11:28:46 GMT
This!
I think it bothers me people are claiming Netflix said they won't do films like TPOTD because it's another example of how "influencing" people on Twitter interpret everything in a self-righteous way even when it's all a lie!
Of course, it's worrying that they supposedly made cuts to "the indie department". They should be criticizing that but the article actually claim they will continue with artistic mid-budget films (like TPOTD!). It's multiple cheap "bad" movies what they said they would stop making. They said instead they would go for quality whatever they think is "quality". If you see the next tweet by this guy, he says he is more worried for the cheap genres Netflix has maintaining alive like romantic movies but not for artistic films like TPOTD. That's what I understood!
The issue with The Irishman, if there it was one, is that it was incredibly expensive. That's not the case with TPOTD!
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Post by roverpup on Jun 2, 2022 12:01:04 GMT
Yes! It's about doing things selectively, with budgets that aren't "card blanche" just because they want a certain prestigious director.
TPOTD is a perfect example of SENSIBLE support for a auteur director, with a reasonable budget (one that respects the vision but doesn't give away the store), and that garners all sorts of impressive reviews.
I really enjoyed The Irishman but it wasn't nearly the film TPOTD was and it was done for a fraction of the cost.
And if Netflix cut back on the number of inane "romcoms" maybe they would have some more $$$ To put towards more quality projects. I realise why they make those "junk food" types of movies - they're reeeeeeally cheap to make and there is a market for them (just like there is for daytime "dramas" and contestant competition shows). They don't have to entirely abandon the cheap fare, just pare it back. And focus nore on productions like Passing, TPOTD and ROMA.
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Post by sgev1977 on Jun 2, 2022 13:00:12 GMT
TBH Who knows what they really would do? And sadly cutting artistic films is the easy way. They are, obviously, a capitalistic endeavor! But what bothers me is that Film Twitter is saying the article said something it didn't: they sacrifying films like TPOTD, A Marriage Story, Beast of No Nation, etc. Those films aren't mentioned at all. Only The Irishman is mentioned and by the author of the piece. It's not a direct quote. He could be paraphrasing or not! And we all know that The Irishman was an extremely expensive film that Hollywood studios refused to finance and Netflix decided to go for it with a lot of people predicting it could affect them in the future (as with a lot of "bad" action movies they also bought and they also claimed were huge hits!) So even when it's a quality film, it's also something very different than films like Passing in business terms.
But yeah, the article says they want to continue buying artistic movies in festivals and make mid budget quality films instead of a lot of bad cheap movies and it indeed sounds like they don't want more romantic comedies and teen flicks like that guy said but we will see. An ex-employee was more worried about the part about they firing people from the indie division and claimed those were the ones that greenlighted films like TPOTD.
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Post by sgev1977 on Jun 2, 2022 13:06:32 GMT
I just saw a tweet criticizing Netflix for not wanting to spend, again, $200M in a Scorsese film but spending $30M in each episode of Stranger Things. Again, they did not read the piece! I also love more Scorsese than Stranger Things but, according to the article, the problem is the film division not the series, which are very popular and the ones attracting new subscribers.
I remember when we were checking TPOTD number of viewers that indeed series were much more popular than movies in the site and you hear more about them not just on social media but also by everyday people outside internet.
EDITED The most hysterical tweet was someone claiming that Netflix would had won the Best Picture Oscar and not having financial problems, I guess, if they would had campaigned harder for TTB instead of TPOTD! Lol I guess they have a point in that the Academy love mediocre stuff but Netflix probably campaigned too hard for it considering it barely had an impact with audiences and film critics, except for the cringe worthy musicals and AG enthusiasts, of course! Again, very deluded fans!
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Post by sgev1977 on Aug 4, 2022 1:25:05 GMT
Today there was a huge fuss about WB and HBO cancelling an almost finished Batgirl movie. It’s kinda fascinating because it seems people are speculating things based on their own projections: that happens when comic books dominate the market and not artistic films (?); it’s because the actress and the directors are POC and Hollywood producers are racist; it’s because it was “too woke” and bombed in screening tests; it was a tax scheme etc. Later, it was revealed they cancelled other stuff too so a lot of comments about how evil is the new boss. Based on a piece about him not understanding the fidelity of the studio towards Clint Eastwood, he indeed sounds awful but TBH, these (re)tweets by the The Netflix Film Project describe better what I feared,
But also,
Maybe, just maybe it’s what it was predicted years ago and the model is showing its limits. We will see but it seems it’s not only Netflix the one with issues. It’s still interesting how Twitter “experts” doesn’t think on this and immediately explain the situation pointing an evil agent. I mean even if the new guy is bad and only thinks on money, it’s clear there is some issue inside the company and probably that’s why he was hired.
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