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Post by sgev1977 on Jan 24, 2023 14:25:21 GMT
I just saw a tweet saying Andrea Riseborough nomination is everything what it's wrong with Hollywood! Why? She is great! Viola Davis has the Oscar and multiple nominations and her film was very Hollywood. She is Hollywood! Riseborough is not! Lol
That tweet is everything what it's wrong with Film Twitter and USA, IMHO
EDITED Now she is similar to K-Pop stans vote bombing polls! That's what awards are from these kids! Internet polls!That's what I said about backlash: she is a quirky edgy actress but now suddenly she became an award hungry *white* monster with powerful fans who steal nominations to poor Black actresses!
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Post by sgev1977 on Jan 24, 2023 14:31:58 GMT
I haven't watched it yet but I Aldo glad that Sally Polley's Women Talking is there as Best Film!
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Post by MagdaFR on Jan 24, 2023 14:49:54 GMT
Jan 24, 2023 14:19:28 GMT sgev1977 said: All Quiet in the Western Front did extremely well with thr nominations. I'm not sure yet how many but there were a lot. Two for the movie itself (Best Foreign Film and Best Film) but again Edward Berger was ignored as director. He still received one for the script. And who knows maybe it's not so bad because I already saw a comment suggesting the movie shouldn't be there by an art house type critic. It's a great film but it's also conventional and that's a sin for those odd creatures who are very arty but still want their faves to be nominated for conventional awards! Berger career will be helped with the hype but because he wasn't nominated probably the backlash wouldn't affected him so much. How can you give the movie almost all the awards possible (except editing and actors, I think) and not nominate the director? At least they didn't nominate the Top Gun director. Poor Berger.
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Post by sgev1977 on Jan 24, 2023 15:24:04 GMT
It's a big disadvantage not having editing. I guess that for now, it's not one of the 5 most voted.
I said "for now" because I don't think CODA was nominated for editing.
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Post by sgev1977 on Jan 24, 2023 17:14:10 GMT
This!
How is more humble that a huge company campaign for you instead of your "friends"?
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Post by MagdaFR on Jan 24, 2023 22:22:02 GMT
The reactions against Ana de Armas, Andrea Riseborough are unbelievable.
First, the concept of people of color, POC, is used according to the moment. Now Ana de Armas, who is Latin-American isn't POC. But, if it is convenient, for instance when only black people (apart from white actors) are nominated, you have to be glad because that covers POC and diversity. How is it so difficult to understand that Ana de Armas is just the fifth Latin-American actress ever nominated, then it is obvious they're discriminated?
Second, all the rage is against her or Andrea and not to Williams, for example, who was already snubbed by Bafta and SAG while de Armas was nominated by both.
That actors campaigned for Riseborough is being considered cheating. Lol. As if it wasn't a normal thing during the season. There were some posting the names of those who had campaigned for AR and attacking an actress who was very vocal.
Why is it that the lack of POC (black) nominees matters only in the actress category and there are no problems with the five white nominees for best actor? Or the absence of women directors or that there is only one nominated movie which was directed by a women?
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Post by sgev1977 on Jan 25, 2023 0:03:10 GMT
The biggest minority in the USA are Latinos not Black people so it’s always perplexing that when they talk about representation they totally ignore that Latinos are almost completely erasure. And yes, I thought about it when I read the comments about Ana de Armas! She is only the fifth Latina nominee in the Best Actress category and Michelle Yeoh is the second Asian one but, hey, the category is a big fail because there isn’t a Black woman when there are Black actors in other categories for movies that aren’t frequently considered for this award and with not very good reviews (the still wonderful Angela Bassett who very probably will give Marvel their first Oscar for acting!) and even another wild card like AR (Brian Tyree Henry).
And the thing about AR is awful because I’m sure she deserves the nomination. She is one of the best but totally underestimated by awards. She is also very anti-Hollywood. I don’t know if she or her little movie paid or told to some celebrities or famous friends to talk about her on social media, it still is something much less manipulative that what studios do and yes, people like Gwyneth Paltrow are very privileged but not so “privileged” nor “rich” like Sony Pictures! So yeah, Viola Davis has much more money and power behind her campaign than AR!
It’s not a surprise Film Twiter doing tantrums about things like this and offensively making it about race, the awful part is journalists taking ridiculous tweets about it seriously. I saw a professional critic talking about how Black actresses doesn’t have the means for a campaign like AR! Seriously? Viola Davis doesn’t have friends who could talk positively about her on social media? Because her films was promoted for ages by Sony!
EDITED And there are pretty disturbed people just fabricating conspiracy theories about AR and her white powerful friends intentionally manipulating voters to ignore two black actresses! Not to win a nomination but to ignore black actresses including a movie star like Davis! Very bizarre! We went from some kind of unconscious racism from the Academy to evil complots by an indie under appreciated British actress in a little film!
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Post by sgev1977 on Jan 25, 2023 0:52:07 GMT
About Latinos like Ana de Armas only being a minority or POC when Twitter wants and being a privileged white woman when it doesn’t. Just remember that they do kinda the same to black actors! Especially, British ones. I have seen awfully racist attacks against David Oyelowo just for being married to a white woman (yes, anti-racist on Twitter aren’t very different to traditional racists!) and remember how the great Cynthia Erivo was treated after she dared to take the role of Aretha Flanklin when their fave Jennifer Hudson was preparing to play her in an “officially approved” biopic!
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Post by queenzod on Jan 25, 2023 1:23:53 GMT
It’s Twitter, lol. Half of Twitter believes anyone who’s died of anything over the past few months died of the vaccine, even Lisa Marie, and that the earth is flat, we’re regularly visited by aliens, and Hitler is alive in South America. Most of them couldn’t reason their way out of a paper bag. 😂
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Post by sgev1977 on Jan 25, 2023 2:04:24 GMT
Sure! It’s still frustrating to see the influence they have over the press (which basically depends on Twitter by now!) but yeah, that’s in big part why the press is increasingly losing influence over the real world!
I think most people wants fair representation on media but attacking rivals because they doesn’t look like they want won’t helped them at all. If anything those white LIBERALS actors who campaigned for AR on social media would see how nasty and over the top those people are and stop taking them seriously the next time they claim they or their fave are being discriminating for not receiving nominations. I’m sure VD will be nominated and win a lot of future awards but who knows about shoehorning mediocre films like Black Panther just because it feels right to vote for it.
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