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Post by jbc12 on Apr 1, 2023 3:22:23 GMT
A friend sent it to me jbc12, and it is becoming that complicated. Ah yes, thank you. It was written in a way that suggested this is a social media post so that explains it. I respectfully disagree that it's complicated. I'll take the example of the topic I have witnessed tense discussion on firsthand: genders and the use of toilets. If a trans woman wants to use a woman's toilet... let her. Simple enough, surely. It's only complicated if you look at it like someone "other" is taking from you; otherwise it's just different people (whatever their race, religion, sexuality etc.) living, just like we all are. None of us get out of here alive and wouldn't it be lovely if we all spent our time here uplifting each other instead of being fearful of one another?
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Post by llminnowpea on Apr 1, 2023 7:20:50 GMT
It totally is a false model and plays into the very normal human fear of change. I mean, try as we might, how many of us don't have the tiny voice inside us saying "but what will happen to me/my family/my friends now," even when we know perfectly well that nothing is going to happen. It can be scary, if we don't decide to embrace it, or at least accept it, in a healthy way. That fear makes us lash out in anger, if we do not recognize it and deal with it in a healthy way.
Who should we be railing at? Ah, yes. The extremely rich people who push the narrative to keep all the others at each other's throats, so they can continue getting rich and maintain the status quo.
Anyway, as someone with a lot of trans and homosexual and alternative type friends, I have never once worried about using their bathrooms. I actually have trans women friends and I don't worry about using a public bathroom with them. They are my girlfriend just like my other girlfriends. I enjoy spending time with people who love me and who can be their authentic selves around me.
I mean, isn't that what we all want? To be our authentic selves and be loved for that? That was Phil Burbank's biggest problem - he couldn't love or be loved as his real self and he lashed out with anger.
Allowing others to be their authentic selves doesn't mean we can't be ourselves. It isn't a zero sum game. What it means is that everyone feels more accepted. I mean, if you accept someone who is different from you, wouldn't you be more likely to accept yourself? I would hope so. Our differences make us all special.
Though, the irony of discussing the patriarchy, how it doesn't like changes, fears change, and all of that is not lost on me on a board dedicated to an actor who is accepting and pushes back against the very narrative that the original post in this thread is talking about. I mean CHOOSE LOVE.
eta: I am not offended. Just sad. Very sad.
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Post by jbc12 on Apr 1, 2023 8:30:42 GMT
on a board dedicated to an actor who is accepting and pushes back against the very narrative that the original post in this thread is talking about. I mean CHOOSE LOVE. I was thinking this myself, earlier. BC has set such an excellent example of acceptance, tolerance and love. The world would be a friendlier, calmer place if we all followed that principle!
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Post by sgev1977 on Apr 1, 2023 11:32:50 GMT
A friend sent it to me jbc12, and it is becoming that complicated. Ah yes, thank you. It was written in a way that suggested this is a social media post so that explains it. I respectfully disagree that it's complicated. I'll take the example of the topic I have witnessed tense discussion on firsthand: genders and the use of toilets. If a trans woman wants to use a woman's toilet... let her. Simple enough, surely. It's only complicated if you look at it like someone "other" is taking from you; otherwise it's just different people (whatever their race, religion, sexuality etc.) living, just like we all are. None of us get out of here alive and wouldn't it be lovely if we all spent our time here uplifting each other instead of being fearful of one another? I think the “issue” is not discussing issues. IMHO the big error by activists about a theme like this one is closing any discussion saying it goes against their core humanity. Historically, activists for human rights were the ones desperate to discuss the issues that affected them, including the ones about their mere humanity, and the ones in the power were the ones trying to ignore those issues and silencing them. I don’t agreed with JK Rowling, for example, that bathrooms shouldn’t include only natal women but I read her actually very polite essay and I understand why she as a sexual and domestic violence survivor fears for flexible rules that permits not only trans women but anyone who claims to be trans to enter to female bathrooms. So, yeah, even when it happened before and always did, maybe it should be openly and respectfully discussed now that the mere definition of trans changed (now it’s an umbrella term that includes more identities and not just what traditionally was defined as trans). If those ideas that exist and will continue to exist no matter how many death or rape thread are send to their owners, are ignored or “cancelled” you just create resentment against your cause. So yeah, it becomes a complex theme. You give a reason to your hater to resent you and it’s not very smart to silence someone who hate you. It’s better to know who they are. I think it’s a huge mistake how activism are doing things on social media. It screams for a backlash and sadly is now happening.
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Post by jbc12 on Apr 1, 2023 12:36:28 GMT
I think the “issue” is not discussing issues. I agree with you that there needs to be open discourse, where every side is able to honestly express their perspective, and all opinions are heard and considered. There's always a middle ground to be found if we listen to each other. My point was that people who are considered "different" from the conservative viewpoint are often seen as thieves who are taking away from society, leaving some people confused as to their place in the new structure, as illustrated in the OP (and this breeds homophobia, xenophobia, transphobia, etc.). It doesn't have to be that way. In reality, as queenzod said, the scarcity mindset is a fallacy. There's room for everyone and nobody loses via inclusion. You're right that the way social media is being weaponized only furthers this concept of "othering" and it's proving more problematic than helpful in most cases.
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Post by dickens38 on Apr 4, 2023 1:39:58 GMT
I sent the above as a joke, but appear to have opened a hornets nest. As the whole subject taken seriously makes me very cross, I shall keep my opinions to myself. *grins*
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Post by jbc12 on Apr 4, 2023 14:28:17 GMT
I sent the above as a joke, but appear to have opened a hornets nest. As the whole subject taken seriously makes me very cross, I shall keep my opinions to myself. *grins* Sorry to have spoiled your fun. It was posted under 'Politics' so it appeared you were up for the discussion. Hope that you're not feeling cross now that some time has passed. I, for one, am quite grateful the conversation. It's always fascinating to hear from everyone here and the opinions shared have been incredibly thoughtful and have given me plenty to consider. On a lighter note, I'm always grateful to have a topic that pulls Hannah Lee out of lurking because I find her posts almost poetic!
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Post by wallaby on Apr 5, 2023 0:06:40 GMT
I sent the above as a joke, but appear to have opened a hornets nest. As the whole subject taken seriously makes me very cross, I shall keep my opinions to myself. *grins* Oh yes, maybe it is the wrong site here for you to do all this… Never mind …! Godspeed!
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