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Post by MagdaFR on Jul 7, 2024 16:00:56 GMT
I think people decided to vote against the tories. There was not an increase in Labour's votes.
I don't understand why there is no proportional represention. I also don't know what to think about the way they vote, by constituency. That is, in some way it seems to privilege local decisions and actions which is perhaps more democratic, attending to local problems, like prioritizing minorities. But, I'm used to PR and I found it very strange.
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Post by ellie on Jul 7, 2024 20:20:23 GMT
The numbers do not lend themselves to easy interpretation year on year as there are lots of variables. Bottom line is the Tories were absolutely destroyed and rightly so because they have wrecked the country. Labour have gained one of the largest ever majorities and the Lib Dems have done really well. The ultra right wing Reform party have got five seats which is five too many but even more worrying is they got 14% of the vote. I don’t think the UK will ever go for the PR system but I’m sure Reform will be pushing for it. I wish the new Government well. They have an enormous task on their hands to sort out the mess the Tories have left behind.
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Post by MagdaFR on Jul 9, 2024 14:08:23 GMT
I think Starmer is awful. And, although he has a majority and really could make some change he's not going to do it. He have the excuse of receiving the country in bad situation which is true. But he also made lots of concessions to the right to get their vote (without getting it, the votes went to Reform mostly) in a way that even The Sun was backing him.
I don't think he has a general support, that it's all circumstantial due to the Tory and SNP debacles. The Lib Dem also hadn't a great increase in votes. And Starmer doesn't really need them. This last phrase is perhaps not true.
What I think it's good is that the two parties thing is broken.
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Post by ellie on Jul 9, 2024 14:47:36 GMT
I disagree. I think Starmer is smart and brought the Labour Party back from the verge of extinction. Not to mention rescuing the country from 14 years of Godawful Tory rule. He has already, on his first day in the job, axed their appalling Rwanda policy. Starmer made some necessary concessions to the centre not the right. I’m prepared to wait and see how he fares. But I’m delighted to see him and his party in Office.
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Post by MagdaFR on Jul 9, 2024 16:39:19 GMT
We'll see. Numbers:  |
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Post by ellie on Jul 9, 2024 17:39:16 GMT
What’s the significance of that table? It looks the same as the other accounts of the numbers I’ve seen since the election.
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Post by MagdaFR on Jul 9, 2024 18:21:52 GMT
It is, but I don't want to search for it again. Also I don't want to save it in my phone. Haha.
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Post by ellie on Jul 9, 2024 18:25:00 GMT
Ah. Ok. I thought I was missing something. 😃
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Post by sgev1977 on Jul 10, 2024 1:25:11 GMT
I think they did a smart campaign. They won in the places in which it seemed impossible for Labour to win but in which they needed to win and not just against the Tories but also against the SNP in Scotland. Sure, they lost in some “extremist” places to some extremists (from the right and the left) but that wasn’t necessarily against the plan because, as Starmer said in his speech, they are going for centralism and with it, becoming a party that could be elected. No matter what the antisemitic expelled from the party members are saying, Jeremy Corbyn was ineligible! He always was! At least, in a country like the UK (I mean we have one of his silly friends like President in Mexico! But sadly we love populists in Latin America! And if Trump wins, probably also in the whole America which it’s pathetic!) The overall number doesn’t matter too much if he can achieves consensus and that’s the best thing that could happen in a democracy, especially in times of division like these. I don’t know if he would success but certainly their victory is more promising than what it’s happening in most of the world. He isn’t perfect but no politician is perfect and actually, there is nothing more dangerous that “perfect” politicians and “perfect” solutions! Beware of those!
About The Sun, it also happened with Tony Blair so for good or (most probably) bad, no one can win without the tabloids blessing in the UK. Again, Starmer made the party eligible and that would had never happened with the extremists in charge. The Tories were indeed awful but people didn’t REALLY voted for an alternative because they knew that the alternative was even worse. The tabloids are awful, too, but they aren’t so dumb to support someone like a Corbyn!
I actually found the UK system more fair because it’s a direct vote for someone who had to have a direct contact with their constituency. There is a lot of difference in our local system (not a monarchy, obviously, there is a president and we are a Republic but also federalists so we have local parliaments, who are the ones in direct contact with their represented, alongside the two federal chambers) but there are both direct elected members in the parliament(s) and a few by proportional representation but TBH they are seen like something almost fraudulent and corrupted here. One popular proposal is to eliminate proportional representation because it’s widely considered that they aren’t “really” voted by the people and they don’t really represent anyone but themselves and their parties. So yeah, it’s easier for me to appreciate UK system.
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Post by sgev1977 on Jul 10, 2024 11:02:03 GMT
Again, I don’t know if he iwill be “perfect” for the role but apparently he just approved something that not even the weak American government is daring to do,
Another great early decision alongside the axed Rwanda policy!
EDITED It’s not for attacking Russian cities but the militar bases from where Russia attacks Ukrainian cities. USA bans Ukraine to uses their arms for it.
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