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Post by sgev1977 on Feb 25, 2018 13:21:47 GMT
She did a very publicized Cabaret revival in Broadway but interesting enough it seemed to me that someone who isn’t so loved like her by the indie crowd (but equally talented) like Emma Stone was the one who made the revival a real phenomenon. Probably Stone, who is more charismatic/has a stronger personality, worked better in that role. I remember a few reviews saying Williams was too delicate for wild Sally.
Remember when Stone and Cumberbatch would star in that Del Toro movie? I think their substitutes were also very talented but without their strong presences and the other two actors, the acclaimed Jessica Chastein and the very handsome Charlie Humman having the same issue, the movie lacked of something similar to star power. Again I’m not talking about talent but presence. They are all great but with more “discreet” presence. Can you believe Mia Wasikowska quitted Carol to do Crimson’s Creek? I guess she thought it will be more popular!
(I hope not to offend Hiddleston fans, I sincerely think he is great! I remember a chat between two of those critics who habit Twitter comparing BC and TH at the time, I knew then they didn’t liked the movie too much, saying that well, TH is great but hasn’t the strong personality of BC. Something about how you can’t watching him when he enters the scene. The other said TH was more like the nice good kid who you would take home to meet your mother when you wouldn’t do that with BC. Then the first one said, what you are talking about?! My mother is in love with BC! There were also a lot of nasty comments, by fans, saying they were very happy that those two horrrible persons, actors, creatures (Stone and Cumberbatch) didn’t ruined the movie so...)
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Post by igs on Feb 25, 2018 14:15:25 GMT
Remember when Stone and Cumberbatch would star in that Del Toro movie? I think their substitutes were also very talented but without their strong presences and the other two actors, the acclaimed Jessica Chastein and the very handsome Charlie Humman having the same issue, the movie lacked of something similar to star power. I too think Crimson Peak would have been very different with BC and Emma Stone, though I think the BC to TH swap is much less of a game-changer than the Stone to Wasikowska one. There's very few things in common between ES and MW. Stone is so vibrant and "loud", she commands attention. I'm not even a massive fan of her but she is extremely charismatic. Wasikowska while just as talented is much quieter (except another movie she was in with Tom Hiddleston, Only Lovers Left Alive, she was very lively there) someone who sinks into a role. Stone is a lead and Wasikowska is a character actress, to use very simplified terms. BC and TH aren't as similar as some fangirls circa 2012 so wished, but they're much closer in about every way than ES ad MW.
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Post by sgev1977 on Feb 25, 2018 14:38:24 GMT
I don’t even think it’s about the roles. I think the movie needed someone who stand out. With out Stone and Cumberbatch they only had Chastein, who is a wonderful actress and who had the showy role but she is not THAT charismatic nor has a strong presence. A better script would had helped the actors, tho.
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Post by sgev1977 on Feb 25, 2018 15:34:24 GMT
Maybe. They originally said there was an important female role but they never said if it has the same prominence that the male roles. I think Williams said they will begin the shooting in March but Gyllenhaal had another project so I guess, if true, it should be at the ending of the month. We should have more info soon. There is not too much noise but considering it’s an indie it’s not a surprise. She didn’t say March, she said Spring!!!
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Post by MagdaFR on Feb 25, 2018 23:01:35 GMT
Remember when Stone and Cumberbatch would star in that Del Toro movie? I think their substitutes were also very talented but without their strong presences and the other two actors, the acclaimed Jessica Chastein and the very handsome Charlie Humman having the same issue, the movie lacked of something similar to star power. I too think Crimson Peak would have been very different with BC and Emma Stone, though I think the BC to TH swap is much less of a game-changer than the Stone to Wasikowska one. There's very few things in common between ES and MW. Stone is so vibrant and "loud", she commands attention. I'm not even a massive fan of her but she is extremely charismatic. Wasikowska while just as talented is much quieter (except another movie she was in with Tom Hiddleston, Only Lovers Left Alive, she was very lively there) someone who sinks into a role. Stone is a lead and Wasikowska is a character actress, to use very simplified terms. BC and TH aren't as similar as some fangirls circa 2012 so wished, but they're much closer in about every way than ES ad MW. I like Wasikowska and Tom Hiddleston was ok. I think nothing could save Crimson Peak with that story/script. It was awful. Anyway I think The Shape of Water is much worse. I hate it.
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Post by igs on Feb 26, 2018 5:11:49 GMT
Anyway I think The Shape of Water is much worse. I hate it. I quite liked The Shape of Water, it was very atmospheric and the visuals and music were so beautiful. The story was a tad random. By the way del Toro was sued for plagiarism for it. For that play mllemass (hello!) clocked in some thread here! I don't know if someone posted about that yet. It's kind of fishy (pun intended) timing-wise, I mean obviously Zindel's son could have done this at any point over the past year but he waited until a few weeks before the Oscars, maximizing the effect of his 15 minutes of tabloid fame no doubt.
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Post by mllemass on Feb 26, 2018 6:25:58 GMT
I think I read that the Zindel family heard about the movie from fans of the play who had noticed the similarities. Maybe they were waiting to find out if there would be an acknowledgement in the movie credits. I'm sure that the Original Screenplay Oscar nomination bothered the Zindels like it bothered me!
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Post by sgev1977 on Feb 26, 2018 11:27:10 GMT
A lot of people are indeed speculating it could be related to an Oscar dirty campaign because the timing. We will see.
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Post by igs on Feb 26, 2018 11:49:58 GMT
I think I read that the Zindel family heard about the movie from fans of the play who had noticed the similarities. Maybe they were waiting to find out if there would be an acknowledgement in the movie credits. I'm sure that the Original Screenplay Oscar nomination bothered the Zindels like it bothered me! I believe that explanation as much (i.e not at all) as I believe that del Toro had never heard of the play or made aware of it by someone who worked on it with him. I would imagine every studio indie or massive has people whose job it is to check similarities to prevent law suits. It's like The Hunger Games and Battle Royale, I don't care how many times Suzanne Collins says she didn't know of the latter, I don't believe it. Her publisher or someone should have informed her. Maybe I'm just a cynic lol. I was giving del Toro the benefit of the doubt until I saw TSoW but now I have to admit the two stories are extremely alike.
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Post by mllemass on Feb 26, 2018 12:29:55 GMT
I read through the lawsuit last night, and besides similaries between the play and the movie, it seems that GdT's writing partner was a big fan of Zindel and would likely have seen a production of the play. I can see him thinking that no one else would remember that old play! I, myself, was going out of my mind asking everyone if they remembered seeing it on tv, and no one did.
One time, at work, I shared with coworkers some great ideas I had gotten from a conference I had attended. I never said that they were my ideas, but from the questions they asked me I realized they thought I had come up with those ideas myself. I was too embarrassed to correct them (I was new at the job) and just hoped that everyone would forget about the whole thing. But a year later, those same coworkers were scheduled to attend that same conference where that speaker would likely share those same ideas. Panicked, I decided that the least embarrassing solution would be to confess to him what I'd done. He was very understanding and changed his presentation. From then on, I made my sources perfectly clear from the start!
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