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Post by sgev1977 on Sept 2, 2017 19:43:03 GMT
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Post by MagdaFR on Sept 3, 2017 12:42:43 GMT
This would be a good role for BC.
If they connect this to TTSS they'll have to change the narrative a bit. I still don't understand why they made Guillam gay. Being a womanizer was riskier for the secret service than being gay in the 70's.
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Post by sgev1977 on Sept 3, 2017 13:02:07 GMT
The writer said they wanted a quick way to explain why he was in a risky position so instead to include a lot of scenes explaining his deteriorating romance with a younger woman and he being paranoid about her they just mentioned he is gay and show him in a short scene with an older male lover. He doesn't suspect of him just fears he will be publicly exposed and put the mission in danger.
If they continue with the sequels they definitely would have to do a lot of changes! Imagine the scandal if they "forget" that detail and suddenly are faithful to the book!
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Post by dreamsincolour on Sept 3, 2017 20:23:46 GMT
I can see this having been a really important novel for John le Carré, both personally and professionally, tying up so many loose ends from two iconic stories and reflecting his own experiences in the light of the real life changes to how that time is perceived. And one can absolutely see how and why it's come together now, as written very quickly (per understanding from a while back) with the inspiration/need upon him. So I was really pleased to see that the first comments that came out about it before were REALLY good. Ostensibly this new book was said to arguably be the best book he's ever written. And the publication is now coming when there's known to be the new television series adaptation of "The Spy Who Came In From The Cold" coming, to effect, as well as the Gary Oldman comments confirming the (necessary intermediary) "Smiley's People" film. I don't think there's the slightest doubt that plans are in motion to bring the new book to the screen. The only questions in my mind are around how they'll do it. With so much back story to encompass, I'm not entirely sure they'll be able to do it justice in a film. Possibly depending on Le Carré's own preferences, there might even be both series and film.
And just as an afterthought, given that Peter Gwillam is "living out his old age" in France, before being brought back to face the scrutiny of modern thinking (with an interwoven past and present), BC (assuming BC playing Gwillam again) would have to be aged up considerably to play the older Gwillam of latter years. That would be a "new" thing for him do, with reference to his comments about likely to take a type of role he hasn't done before, even if he has actually played Peter Gwillam before. Just a thought....
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Post by MagdaFR on Sept 3, 2017 22:48:31 GMT
I can see this having been a really important novel for John le Carré, both personally and professionally, tying up so many loose ends from two iconic stories and reflecting his own experiences in the light of the real life changes to how that time is perceived. And one can absolutely see how and why it's come together now, as written very quickly (per understanding from a while back) with the inspiration/need upon him. Things changed so much that it is natural to question what happened in the past and the rightfulness of certain practices. And just as an afterthought, given that Peter Gwillam is "living out his old age" in France, before being brought back to face the scrutiny of modern thinking (with an interwoven past and present), BC (assuming BC playing Gwillam again) would have to be aged up considerably to play the older Gwillam of latter years. That would be a "new" thing for him do, with reference to his comments about likely to take a type of role he hasn't done before, even if he has actually played Peter Gwillam before. Just a thought.... I don't know. He played William Pitt the Younger when he was (looked) very young.
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Post by coolclearwaters on Sept 3, 2017 23:12:15 GMT
The writer said they wanted a quick way to explain why he was in a risky position so instead to include a lot of scenes explaining his deteriorating romance with a younger woman and he being paranoid about her they just mentioned he is gay and show him in a short scene with an older male lover. He doesn't suspect of him just fears he will be publicly exposed and put the mission in danger. If they continue with the sequels they definitely would have to do a lot of changes! Imagine the scandal if they "forget" that detail and suddenly are faithful to the book! They can just portray him as being deeply closeted or involved in a "lavender marriage", which is fairly realistic for the era. SaveSave
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Post by dreamsincolour on Sept 4, 2017 0:07:14 GMT
Peter Gwillam's womanising was significant in TTSS, which they ostensibly cut as per the comments above, but his personal life and his marriage in France was otherwise surely only relevant in "The Honourable Schoolboy". He was barely in "Smiley's People". Or am I remembering wrong? They might be borrowing from the middle book, of course, given that they'll surely bulk up his role in the "Smiley's People" film. But I don't see that there would be a necessity to bulk it up with his personal life. And if it serves their purpose going forward, they could indeed just have him be married (to a woman), without need for further exposition, because it could just be taken as a gay guy marrying to keep up appearances or that the character was bisexual before anyway.
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Post by sgev1977 on Sept 8, 2017 23:19:11 GMT
Pete is Peter Guillam so maybe its a reference to TTSS. From A Legacy of Spies, of course! It's not a silly fanfiction or something!
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Post by dreamsincolour on Sept 9, 2017 2:42:31 GMT
Oh that's interesting! Where did you find the snippet, Sgev? That indeed sounds extraordinarily like John le Carré has actually written "Legacy Of Spies" to incorporate some accounting for the gay adaptation of the character in the TTSS film! And that would surely have to be to purpose in respect of conveniencing the anticipated adaptation of the new book to be part of the assumed trilogy. He can't actually rewrite Peter Gwillam's womanising in the earlier books, but maybe he could have added another interpretation of some of it (or all of it), to effect, and/or added some sort of gay/bisexual alternate life that just somehow never managed to have been mentioned in the earlier books. They call that to retcon something now, don't they? But very interesting! And of course it adds more weight to the presumed intention to get "Smiley's People" and the "Legacy Of Spies" both into production inpretty short order.
Since the new book also looks back on "The Spy Who Came In From The Cold" too, I wonder if they might be intending to make a new film of that as well, so as to have it all in relatively recent public awareness and so as to tie in flash backs to the same characters? George Smiley and Peter Gwillam are both in that too, of course, although Alex Leamas is the lead character. There has already been announced to be the new mini series of "The Spy Who Came In From The Cold", but I'm not sure they would tie the films in with the series unless they intend to have GO and BC etc reprise their roles in that too. But I think that would make for a too unequal weighting of detail, so there might well be a 4th film.
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Post by onebluestocking on Sept 9, 2017 4:20:49 GMT
TTSS was sold out at least a couple of nights in my town; it was only scheduled to play for a week at one theater, for some reason. I was pleasantly surprised that the audience was packed.
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