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Post by mllemass on Oct 18, 2017 20:33:28 GMT
I've almost always worked in places where women outnumber the men. I noticed years ago that when working with a group of women, most men will be polite and appear to be listening - but they're really not. I can always tell when they're just waiting for the women-folk to finish yammering so they can say what really matters. There have been far too many times when my ideas haven't even been acknowledged by the one man in the group. And then when he eventually comes around and sees that my idea was the good one, so much time has been wasted. I always wondered if our bosses knew how long it took us to accomplish things while we waited for the men to come around. And I've also noticed that when men speak up in a group, they're so proud of whatever they've said - like they're expecting a round of applause. It must be nice to go around thinking that everything you say is pure gold!
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Post by ellie on Oct 18, 2017 21:06:47 GMT
Not sure about his career. All that I know is that his ex-girlfriend burned down his house. Probably deservedly...? What's the betting that the ending of the final sentance he didn't let his girfriend finish was "burn your house down."
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Post by onebluestocking on Oct 18, 2017 21:33:00 GMT
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Post by onebluestocking on Oct 20, 2017 5:14:03 GMT
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Post by sgev1977 on Oct 20, 2017 13:05:34 GMT
The Lupita Nyong'o piece in the NYT is interesting because it shows how power works and why no one said anything/treat his behavior as something normal.
She is warned that he is a bully. Not that he is a sexual predator. Just a bully but a very important bully so she accepts to have a meeting with him...In his house AND in his bedroom even when he behaved awfully in the restaurant earlier. There he is incredible improper so she runs but is careful enough to call him later and tells him everything is good between them. He regained her trust being charming in another meeting with a few of her friends present so she accepts another meeting alone with him in which he also acts in a very improper way. When she rejects his sexual proposals is him the one who ends the reunion. Not her. Years later when she becomes famous. He in a very insistent way tries to convince her to work with him. She, finally with some power herself and understanding the situation a little better, don't want to work with him so search for every excuse available to say no without offending him. He harassed her twice and she still tries no to offend him! She even said to him that she would love to do something with him I the future, just not now! Of course, she doesn't tell anyone maybe apart of her agent about it. He is powerful and she is in an industry in which, as she said, these kind of reunion and maybe even some physical contact (apparently massages) are common.
I can't imagine another line of work in which people would think it's normal a few of those things mentioned by her.
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Post by mllemass on Oct 20, 2017 14:21:18 GMT
I'm in a very unglamorous line of work, and I had what I think was a normal job interview. But a friend of mine told me that at the end of her job interview, the boss told her she was beautiful. She was hired, but was let go after a year because of cutbacks. The boss came to tell her the news in person. Normally, it would have been done by fax (this was before Internet and email). He told her that at least she still had her beauty, and most women don't even have that!
A colleague once complained that there would be job interviews happening at her workplace the next day. She said that every time they hired someone new, it meant more work for her. It seems that for years, her workplace only hired beautiful women, whether or not they were qualified. My colleague had nothing against beauty, but it then became her job to help those unqualified women when they inevitably became overwhelmed. She said her bosses used to brag that they had the best-looking staff of any company.
That kind of stuff happens in all lines of work.
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Post by sgev1977 on Oct 20, 2017 14:33:29 GMT
Of course! But most people would find very weird if the boss ask them to do the job interview in his bedroom. At least they would know it's not a "normal" reunion. She didn't realized nothing really bad was happening until he said he would take off his trousers. And still then she called him after to show him she wasn't angry and that they still friend. Thought he wouldn't do anything like that again.
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Post by ellie on Oct 20, 2017 16:51:01 GMT
The movie business has been like this since it started. The term "casting couch" didn't come out of nowhere. Some people have always been prepared to do anything to become a movie star and some people are prepared to exploit that desperation to succeed. And those who are not prepared to play that sordid game risk getting thrown by the wayside. Therefore they decide that their best and only chance of success is to keep quiet about what happened and hope that will earn them some goodwill.
It's a dirty, unfair and corrupt business. Always has been and probably always will be despite the current airing of dirty laundry.
Oh and why is Roman Polanski still an Academy member now that HW has bern expelled? There's no real appetite for change within the influential bodies, just some PR stunts to help smooth over the cracks.
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Post by onebluestocking on Oct 21, 2017 5:26:19 GMT
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Post by mllemass on Oct 21, 2017 6:33:37 GMT
Ha! I don't think it's too soon at all. It's funny and so true!
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