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Post by ellie on Oct 6, 2017 8:50:08 GMT
It will be interesting to see what happens. So far it would seem nobody is willing to co-operate with any official action so without that it will run into the sand legally.
It wouldn't be the first time. To name but two, Producer Don Simpson was notorious for his extreme sexual abuse of women but he was never convicted and more recently Director Brian Singer has been shown to be involved in a group that attended house parties organised so they could have sex with underage boys. Watch "Open Secret", the documentary about the abuse of child actors it if you're interested in finding out more.
Finally it is well known that Natalie Wood was raped as a young girl by a famous actor who she met thinking it was about getting a role in one of his movies. She never officially named the actor but it seems that everyone knows who it is. He is still alive and much revered. Not sure I should say the name here as he's never admitted it but Google is your friend. This behaviour is widespread and while there will be a big media feeding frenzy on the Weinstein story, my guess is it will come to nothing substantial.
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Post by sgev1977 on Oct 6, 2017 10:43:36 GMT
Sadly I agreed. People think we are in a new world where women are much more empowered and there is justice for this kind of offenses but that’s not real. It’s just the banal social media hype that disappears once it clashes with the real world. Just look Bill Cosby! He should be in jail!
About Bryan Singer that was huge. He was accused of abusing underaged kids, of doing parties so adult men abused them and just this last weekend he released his new movie starring Tom Cruise and nobody mentioned anything about it.
I don’t know about the movie. It seems less important now. I can see festivals retiring it or even the studio doing it especially if they didn’t announce some measure. Or maybe nothing will happen. If he is still powerful and of course he is maybe no one will dare to offend him.
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Post by sgev1977 on Oct 6, 2017 11:32:39 GMT
I just checked and Rose McGowan actually did another movie with the Weinstein between Scream and the two Grindhouse movies. It’s called Phantoms and the main stars are she and Peter O’Toole! It’s one of those cheaps Dimension flicks and has the two Weinsteins credited as producers. I’m now wondering if the director was her boyfriend and was him the one she was talking about instead of Rodriguez because it would had been obvious that a Tarantino movie would be developed since the beginning by the Weinstein. But again, it seems this flick was completely produced by Dimension. It should had been awful to have to work repeatedly with him after the experience she had Isn't it weird that having been allegedly raped by HW she continued working for him? I don't understand this. I have ambivalent feelings towards this situation, in general, not only Weinstein. If I found words to express what I think, I'll write. The way some people reacted turning on Lawrence, Blake Lively and others is depressing. Meanwhile, what is going to happen to The Current War? I think they continued working with him for the same reason women in non entertainment businesses continue working with harassers and abusers. Because they need the work and those men tend to be powerful males who can destroy their way of living if they make a big fuss. Even non powerful males tend to be protected by corporations because corporations and institutions don’t want scandals (I know a very close case). Sadly it and will be used against them. Misogyny is everywhere and people think in black and white. The reason those award forum posters were attacking Alicia Vikander the other day (I checked) and the reason people are attacking other actresses now is because originally Ashley Judd talked about an unmanned studio head she made him to promise her to give her an Oscar first before accepting his advances to escape the situation without disturbing him and probably put herself in danger. That according to idiots on Internet made the actresses who he helped to win awards sluts. The blame is always on women! Judd then said she never worked with him since then. Now the NYT, added she worked in two of his movies without incident. In the Weinstein interview post-NYT he said it was published something he wasn’t aware of and single out that Judd originally said she never worked with him after the date of the reported incident but she did. He answered an old interview and wasn’t happy with her or the newspaper correcting the old quote! Of course they will use it against them!
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Post by onebluestocking on Oct 6, 2017 13:00:37 GMT
Of course, his behavior is his own fault, but as long as people take money to keep quiet about it nothing will change. These creeps (and there are plenty who aren't even wealthy or powerful) don't target confident older women who know how to handle them. Just young girls struggling for their big break and new to the working world.
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Post by mllemass on Oct 6, 2017 13:15:38 GMT
It is a bit underhanded, and I had the same thought!
I'm puzzled as to why people are saying that the women who were paid to keep quiet had let him get away with what he did. They came to a legal settlement. That happens all the time, even outside of Hollywood. Even in my line of work! A few years ago, we were informed that a co-worker had left to go work for another company, but then rumours stared swirling around about the real reason he left. It seems that he had gone to our employer and demanded same-sex benefits for his partner. He was refused, but he had our powerful union backing him up, so they came to an agreement: our employer paid him an undisclosed amount of money and they found him a nice job in a place that did offer same-sex benefits, and he had to keep quiet about it. So it was a win-win for everyone.
The women who were paid by HW to keep quiet did do something about it. Maybe it's not what you or I would have done, but I'm sure they felt at the time that it was fair.
I found that one statement interesting - that there's no "morality clause" in Hollywood. So they could never make it a legal requirement for a pig like HW to behave around women.
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Post by MagdaFR on Oct 6, 2017 13:31:49 GMT
I don’t know how to copy tweets, but Rose McGowan and Asia Argento have been tweeting each other. McGowan started with “I want to buy the movie rights”. Argento responded by saying “I own the movie rights”. They then joked about collaborating. I wonder if they’ll ever be able to talk about it publically and name names. Asia Argento signed the Polanski petition.
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Post by sgev1977 on Oct 6, 2017 13:32:43 GMT
There are morality clauses in Disney, which by the way bought Miramax, the company who helped Weisntein to become so powerful.
Harrasment is not something easy to fight, especially against someone with all the means on his side. Rarely you have a witness or a material proof because it's something that tend to happen in a private environment. Then if the guy is rich and powerful it became more complicated. Although that story of Weinstein publicly hitting a man in a press event without a single photo published speaks volumes of his power! The stories are apparently all about him and young women in hotel rooms but I don't find difficult to believe someone with that power doing something nasty in public without no one confronting him. He is a bully!
My point is for any lawyer reaching a legal settlement without the client's career being destroyed should be a major victory with a man like that! Sad but true!
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Post by sgev1977 on Oct 6, 2017 13:44:51 GMT
I don’t know how to copy tweets, but Rose McGowan and Asia Argento have been tweeting each other. McGowan started with “I want to buy the movie rights”. Argento responded by saying “I own the movie rights”. They then joked about collaborating. I wonder if they’ll ever be able to talk about it publically and name names. Asia Argento signed the Polanski petition. Well, Mia Farrow famously was a pro Polanski witness in his 2005 lawsuit against Vanity Fair for accusing him of harrasing a woman. She still a friend. It's complex and awful! Someone wrote yesterday that there were a few "comedians" who were attacking Weinstein on social media even when "everyone" knows they aren't very different! Of course I don't know if it's truth (I'm not "everyone") but sadly it doesn't surprise me! The holier than thou attitude is a great costume for hypocrites and even abusers.
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Post by onebluestocking on Oct 6, 2017 14:10:32 GMT
But didn't Polanski rape an underage girl? Not defending HW, but that isn't at all the same as what he did.
Yes, but for 30 years women had to deal with him because the previous generation of victims took hush money, even continuing to work for him, which makes it harder for each case afterward. I understood why they did, just saying that in that case nothing changes.
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Post by ellie on Oct 6, 2017 14:39:56 GMT
I agree OBS. Being allowed to buy their way out of trouble is what makes people like Weinstein believe they're invincible and facilitates their behaviour.
I'm not saying it would be easy in any way but until someone (or preferably more than one person) is prepared to refuse to be bought off and willing to testify in a court of law then this situation will continue.
As for the comparison with Polanski, I agree. Weinstein would seem to be guilty of innapropriate sexual advances to adult women. Polanski druged and raped a 13 year old child. His behaviour was reprehensible, depraved and criminal. He deserves to be in jail. Those people defending him because he is "a great artist" disgust me.
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