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Post by sgev1977 on Oct 12, 2017 23:34:41 GMT
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Post by sgev1977 on Oct 13, 2017 11:25:10 GMT
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Post by roverpup on Oct 13, 2017 13:13:01 GMT
That is unfortunate that they don’t feel it is appropriate to promote the film. A lot of people who had nothing to do with HW’s behaviour seem to be collateral damage now.
I was looking forward to seeing it and now it is beginning to look like that will never happen.
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Post by ellie on Oct 13, 2017 15:00:58 GMT
Poor BC he really does have a tendency to find himself embroiled in contraversy - whether it's from trying to do the right thing by migrants, from having gone to a "posh" school or from happening to work on a movie produced by a guy who turns out to be a serial sex abuser.
I really hope the right wing UK tabloid press, who hate him because of his politics, don't use this to bash him. Because he really doesn't deserve that kind of sh*te. None of this is his fault.
For that reason I'm kind of relieved that TCW may be shelved. Gives the gutter press fewer opportunities for potshots.
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Post by sgev1977 on Oct 13, 2017 15:37:44 GMT
It's not a good time to release it and if the scriptwriter could pull himself out from the event without consequences, I'm sure the actors would do the same with the promotion if the date is not changed.
It seems the entire company is in danger now.
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Post by roverpup on Oct 13, 2017 16:00:46 GMT
I hear what you are saying Ellie and I appreciate where you are coming from but if it isn’t really his fault (which I think so too) then why should it be better if TCW is shelved? And if the collateral damage is to be foisted upon people and projects without any direct blame, then doesn’t that really just strengthen an argument that he should just withdraw from everything because if bringing out this movie is an admission of some kind of culpability then it will always be that way and might follow him further. Will he have to be tainted with this for the rest of his career? I have seen some argue that this is what (and even some who say it should) will happen.
Yes, I acknowledge that like most things in the media and on the internet this will probably have a “shelf life” but there are plenty of examples of this not “just going away with time” as well.
I don’t like “rumours” and I don’t like dealing in “gossip”. I prefer things come out and be taken through the legal system and dealt with without the speculations of Twitter or gossip sites. I have experienced plenty of destructiveness and complete falsehoods propigated by idle chatter and it leaves me with a very bad taste in my mouth.
I empathize with the victims of these crimes. But I think it should be dealt with directly and not turn into a witch-hunt of sorts that leads to a mass bloodletting of blame with shades of Maximilien Robespierre looming over it.
I don’t believe that BC was in any way responsible for any of this horrible situation of abuse and I also don’t think he should be held accountable for any “rumours” he may or may not of been exposed to while making movies for TWC. I think it is a complete shame that this movie would have to be shelved because of HW did. A lot of people (BC included) put a lot of time and effort into it and produced something that they are probably rightly proud of and now it appears that will be dumped because of something that they had no part in. That is just unfair and the shelving of TCW won’t make any real difference in the victim’s fight for justice but it will probably harm and affect the livelihood and careers of sorts of people who had nothing to do with the crimes committed. That’s my opinion and I realise there are valid arguments to be made on all sides of this discussion.
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Post by mllemass on Oct 13, 2017 16:24:38 GMT
I think it makes sense to delay it, otherwise they'll have to release it without any promotion - and that isn't fair, no matter how "poorly received" it was at the premiere. I've seen so many movies get tons of promotion - magazine covers and interviews, talk show appearances, tv commercials every five minutes - and then it turns out that the movie was total garbage. It's not right to declare TCW a failure so that lack of probation won't make any difference. It will make a huge difference! The movie deserves to find its audience without the distraction of that horrible HW.
I'm a huge fan of Project Runway, and I had no problem watching it last night even with the "Weinstein" name attached to it. HW isn't going to keep audiences away, but he does make the promotional stuff difficult for everyone.
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Post by ellie on Oct 13, 2017 17:02:30 GMT
I don't think that delaying the movie will reflect badly on BC or implicate him in the scandal in any way. I just think it makes zero sense from a marketing and PR perspective to release the film into the middle of the sh*t storm that is now raging round Weinstein. There is no way any coverage of the movie or interviews with the stars would not be more about Weinstein than the movie. That would do nothing for the movie's prospects and would only further embroil the stars in the media feeding frenzy. Far better to let the initial white heat go out of the Weinstein situation before releasing TCW. Even if that does mean a long delay.
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Post by roverpup on Oct 13, 2017 17:21:09 GMT
So when you said “shelved” you meant more in the line of “delayed” rather than dismissed completely.
So if it were delayed (even a long time) wouldn’t the interviewer centre around the reasons for the delay and just bring the whole thing back to the surface all over again?
Or are you just thinking of the public appetite and not just the interviewers questions?
It seems to me the public appetite for salaciousness has a longer shelf life nowadays what with instant “refreshers” in the form of googling and tons of blogs like “Your Fav is Problematic” and all. This could permanently damage the release of this film and in the very least make negative opinions outweigh any fair chance it might have when (and if) it is ever released.
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Post by ellie on Oct 13, 2017 17:38:56 GMT
Yes the media will make references to why it was shelved but I very much doubt they will accuse the cast of being complicit in Weinstein's behaviour.
However if the film was promoted then the media would have direct access to the cast for interviews. Those interviews would definitely be focussed on Weinstein rather than the movie and it only takes one badly phrased response to have the media down on the individual like a ton of bricks. We all know that BC's loquatiousness has got him into trouble in the media several times already when he's been quoted out of context or his meaning misconstrued. He really does not need to be exposing himself to that risk in a situation as explosive and far reaching as this. And putting all of that risk aside, it would still be a total waste of the cast's time promoting the movie at this juncture. The media won't be interested in talking about it.
Far better to adopt a wait and see aporoach. Maybe that means there will be a delayed release or maybe it will never be released. It's too early to say right now.
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