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Post by mllemass on Sept 26, 2017 13:34:42 GMT
I Speaking specifically about TCIT, I would call the majority of the Twitter comments stupid because they were basically "I didn't get it so it must be bad" or "It's not what I thought it would be so it must be bad". And I don't care if it's an intellectual saying it or just an average tv watcher.
There were, of course, people who paid attention and actually explained why they didn't like it (they prefer a tidier ending, a straightforward plot, more action, a feel-good experience), and I'm fine with that.
I have to admit that I do kind of judge people by the movies they like! I was at a work event once where they had us interview, and then introduce, someone we didn't know. We all tended to ask the same questions, including favourite movie. I was absolutely shocked by the number of people (mostly women) who said Pretty Woman or Dirty Dancing! My opinion of those people did drop a bit that day.
By the way, I said The Full Monty - and it got a big laugh. (I do love it, although isn't my absolute favourite)
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Post by ellie on Sept 26, 2017 13:54:18 GMT
I don't judge people for not liking it. Ian McKewan isn't everyone's cup of tea. As for the Twitterati (i.e those with many opinions but few facts) well reallly who cares?
Bottom line is it got good ratings and very good reviews (I don't count the Daily Mail negative item because if BC brought about world peace that "paper" would still report it negatiively) so I think Sunny March can chalk it up as a success.
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Post by onebluestocking on Sept 26, 2017 14:06:31 GMT
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Post by sgev1977 on Sept 26, 2017 14:48:58 GMT
Speaking specifically about TCIT, I would call the majority of the Twitter comments stupid because they were basically "I didn't get it so it must be bad" or "It's not what I thought it would be so it must be bad". And I don't care if it's an intellectual saying it or just an average tv watcher. There were, of course, people who paid attention and actually explained why they didn't like it (they prefer a tidier ending, a straightforward plot, more action, a feel-good experience), and I'm fine with that. I have to admit that I do kind of judge people by the movies they like! I was at a work event once where they had us interview, and then introduce, someone we didn't know. We all tended to ask the same questions, including favourite movie. I was absolutely shocked by the number of people (mostly women) who said Pretty Woman or Dirty Dancing! My opinion of those people did drop a bit that day. By the way, I said The Full Monty - and it got a big laugh. (I do love it, although isn't isn't my absolute favourite) Once an ex-boss very excited asked me if it was truth that I really love movies. I said yes, I'm very passionate about them then she said, "good because I just watched a great movie. It's excellent and I want to recommend you because I can't believe how good it was. It's called "The Hot Chick" and it's very funny..." Then she proceeded to told me the plot of the Rob Schneider movie! She wasn't joking! I'm not joking neither! She really loved it and thought someone like me would appreciated her recommendation!
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Post by onebluestocking on Sept 26, 2017 15:05:52 GMT
I'm picturing your ex-boss meeting a world-famous chef: "this wonderful restaurant has chicken in nugget shapes, AND a PlayPlace!"
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Post by sgev1977 on Sept 26, 2017 15:12:40 GMT
She is a very lovely woman but general culture is not her thing! I also remember her hysterically laughing when she heard about Bay of Pigs invasion. She thought I invented the name as a joke!
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Post by mllemass on Sept 26, 2017 16:00:28 GMT
I think some people confuse "passionate about movies" with "I'll watch anything!". I, too, have been recommended terrible movies by people who heard that I really like going to movies.
The worst, though, was the DVD I was given by a friend that I've known most of my life. We see a lot of movies together, but she will tell you she prefers foreign movies and "artsy" films (no matter how bad they are). So she gave me the movie The Holiday, and I looked at it, puzzled. She said she saw it in the store and thought I would like it. Oh, I said, looking at it wondering why she would think that. I asked if she had seen it (figuring she liked it and wanted me to see it, too), but no. She said she thought of me because I like "that kind of movie". I don't think I've ever been so insulted about a movie! She and I talk about movies all the time and we've seen hundreds of movies together, yet she thought I would like such a bad movie. I did watch it, in case she asked (it was even worse that I had imagined), and then I donated it to charity.
Sure, we all have guilty pleasures - movies we'd be embarrassed to admit we liked - but I'd never recommend those movies to other people!
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Post by dreamsincolour on Sept 26, 2017 19:44:37 GMT
Reading reactions make me think in a late friend who was a very respected Historian and writer. He told me he discussed a lot of with his daughter in law because according to him she had an awful taste in movies and always said things like "well, we all have opinions and should respect others". He used to get angry and said: "I studied at the Sorbonne, my opinions doesn't have the same value than yours!" It sounds so pretentious but I read a pair of comments of people acting like some kind of mediators claiming people who are screaming that they didn't understanding it actually understood it but they didn't like it and we all should respect their valueable opinions. I guess it's part of the "democratization" of the Internet. All opinions have the same value because we are all equal. Except that not all opinions are informed opinions. Also yes, I miss the snob times when consensus wasn't a sign of quality and informed opinions were more valuable than any Twitter shit storm! I find the eternal wail of "It's my opinion", as if that's supposed to validate "whatever" (usually utter stupidity), appallingly disheartening! I have a lot of empathy with your late historian friend, in principle, except that it's not entirely clear if he was just talking about preferences or was including something more substantive. I have no personal problem with people liking different things, because personal preferences are entirely subjective and everyone's different. The problem I have with utterly stupid "opinions" (about anything) is when there's a complete lack of understanding and appreciation of the difference between what is subjective and what is objective. Far, far too often, though, one hears the most ludicrous arguments around issues when there's no understanding of what they're talking about at all. They might as well be arguing that "it's my (their) opinion" that the moon's made of blue cheese! But they don't understand that that's the level of whatever their argument is. "It's my opinion" just gets trotted out as if an indisputable right for nonsense to be given credence, and they actually BELIEVE that! It's not what bright people do, obviously, but reality is that there are an awful lot of people who aren't that bright and who are leaving school never having actually learned how to think sensibly and/or how the "opinion" making process should work. And the frightening thing is, now, how social media is encouraging stupidity by enabling reinforcement. And it shouldn't be "snobbish" to be interested in, and prefer, informed opinion. Too much notice is being taken of a noisy (largely inadequate) minority whose imperative is mainly to be as noisy and destructive as possible because they've learnt they can be destructive and because that's about having effect in a world in which they're otherwise probably completely ineffectual. That'a bit too much of a rant there, sorry, but it does do my head in a bit and I think people should be encouraged away from basic incompetence, rather than pandering to it.
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Post by sgev1977 on Sept 26, 2017 20:20:57 GMT
The appraisal of a work of art is always subjective, of course. But a negative or positive opinion should be defended with coherent arguments and that's how how we can know if the opinion is informed or not. A random comment on Twitter during the transmission is NEVER a valuable opinion and it shouldn't be taken as seriously as a well-thought long piece.
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Post by mllemass on Sept 26, 2017 20:53:09 GMT
The appraisal of a work of art is always subjective, of course. But a negative or positive opinion should be defended with coherent arguments and that's how how we can know if the opinion is informed or not. A random comment on Twitter during the transmission is NEVER a valuable opinion and it shouldn't be taken as seriously as a well-thought long piece. There have been lots of times when I've hated something that everyone else seemed to love. Nothing they said could have changed my mind, so I know I could never convince someone to like something that they hate. We also have to acknowledge that we have certain biases. I avoid science-fiction and action/adventure movies - anything with lots of car chases, explosions or battles. I also dislike movies about sports or politics. And lately I've come to dislike romantic comedies where we're supposed to hope that the pretty young girl finds Mr. Right. That's why I would never give my opinion on those kinds of movies - I don't like them before even seeing them! Sometimes, people will recommend movies to me with the warning "it's a bit slow", but I get all excited because there won't be any chase scenes or explosions! Other people have different biases: I know people who won't watch war movies, scary movies, musicals or animation.
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