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Post by mllemass on Sept 27, 2017 12:36:19 GMT
This is true! My education and background have been in art, and I can point out all the things that make a piece of artwork either good or bad. And it doesn't happen by accident or by magic - artists train and learn the skills needed to create good art. Preference has very little to do with quality - just look at all the awful art people buy to display in their homes!
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Post by sgev1977 on Sept 27, 2017 13:12:44 GMT
I agreed that there are parameters but those parametes aren't fixed. They change in time and space. For example, before Cahiers du Cinema, film critics in France preferred certain kind of movies. The ones nowadays are called "Prestige" or "Quality" films (at least they are called like that in Spanish. The type Weinstein is famous for doing although he does more than that). Hollywood directors as Hitchcock or John Ford were considered light entertainment. Then Truffaut wrote his "A Certain Tendency..." essay and things began to change. Suddenly the the "matinee" directors were the real artists and awarded directors as René Clément were considered obsolet. They completely changed the rules and parameters of what a good film is and they did with informed opinions BUT contradicting what were considered ubtil then the rules and parameters of good cinema.
Art is full of examples like that and probably those moments of change or when different cultures tastes clash are the most exciting but, of course, the appraisal should be thoughtful and convincing. If we say, "these are the parameters and something different is bad quality" then we would have something completely objective but also art would die. It's not like that. That's why INFORMED subjective opinions are important. A Tweet saying "I don't understand it so it's shit" it's not an informed opinion, tho.
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Post by mllemass on Sept 27, 2017 13:44:12 GMT
Of course! If we look at history, the greatest works of art, music and literature broke the rules and did something that hadn't been done before. That's why we still study them and enjoy them today!
Creativity should always be encouraged, and that does mean breaking the rules - but first you have to understand the rules you are breaking.
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Post by dreamsincolour on Sept 27, 2017 13:44:27 GMT
I agreed that there are parameters but those parametes aren't fixed. They change in time and space. For example, before Cahiers du Cinema, film critics in France preferred certain kind of movies. The ones nowadays are called "Prestige" or "Quality" films (at least they are called like that in Spanish. The type Weinstein is famous for doing although he does more than that). Hollywood directors as Hitchcock or John Ford were considered light entertainment. Then Truffaut wrote his "A Certain Tendency..." essay and things began to change. Suddenly the the "matinee" directors were the real artists and awarded directors as René Clément were considered obsolet. They completely changed the rules and parameters of what a good film is and they did with informed opinions BUT contradicting what were considered ubtil then the rules and parameters of good cinema. Art is full of examples like that and probably those moments of change or when different cultures tastes clash are the most exciting but, of course, the appraisal should be thoughtful and convincing. If we say, "these are the parameters and something different is bad quality" then we would have something completely objective but also art would die. It's not like that. That's why INFORMED subjective opinions are important. A Tweet saying "I don't understand it so it's shit" it's not an informed opinion, tho. That "opinions' are better backed up with considered reasoning isn't in question. Of course that's right. But you're completely missing the point otherwise. For one, "art" isn't just film, and an awful and completely wrong generalisation wouldn't/shouldn't be supported by an exception, even if one should be found. And the argument you've given is completely invalid anyway. Parameters don't have to be fixed to still be parameters.
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Post by sgev1977 on Sept 27, 2017 14:57:31 GMT
Can youn explain me the point then, dreamsincolour?
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Post by dreamsincolour on Sept 27, 2017 23:05:21 GMT
Basically, claiming that all art is just subjective is to deny that there is any purpose or point in art education of any kind at all, because there's nothing to learn.
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Post by sgev1977 on Sept 27, 2017 23:31:36 GMT
It should be indeed a grade of objectivity based in parameters of what is art but those parameters could never being fixed in the way some confirmed facts are in science. IMO art history is proof of how parameters constantly change. Now every rebel who change parameters of what is good or not must know the rules before destroy them so not my intention is not to claim art education is irrelevant or unnecessary.
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Post by sgev1977 on Oct 16, 2017 11:12:19 GMT
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Post by roverpup on Oct 18, 2017 15:41:47 GMT
So what is the implication of this news?
That TCiT is a saleable product for StudioCanal?
They seem to be saying that the company is ramping up to deliver a lot of material and is expanding its base in the European market. And SunnyMarch is part of this expansion.
Good news for BC and SunnyMarch, right?
:-))
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Post by sgev1977 on Oct 18, 2017 16:58:38 GMT
The article is about the productions Studiocanal is selling in MIPCOM, an annual entertainment market. It says they took TCIT and that there is a lot of interest in it.
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