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Post by sgev1977 on Dec 23, 2019 21:01:30 GMT
I just watched The Two Popes on Netflix, and it’s terrific! It’s been getting good reviews, but I wasn’t expecting it to be so riveting - especially considering that it’s mainly two old men talking. I found it way more exciting to watch than any action movie! I watched it and it's very enjoyable. It's a pleasure to see two wonderful actors playing against each other but at the same time it's impossible not to feel a little cynical knowing the extremely awful context of the machinations of the Catholic Church before and after the death of John Paul II. They mentioned Maciel (who shamefully was Mexican!) but in general it's just a harmless little movie with two legends that doesn't really questioned anything.
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Post by mllemass on Dec 23, 2019 22:30:10 GMT
I was reading some articles about The Two Popes movie, and the filmmakers have said that it’s a fictionalized version of some real-life events. They say that some of the stuff was completely made up for the movie (like the Popes becoming buddies in their later years), but it could have been possible, I guess! And there is no record of their private conversations, so the writers made all of that up for the movie. But the dialogue was based on actual things that they had said or written in real life.
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Post by MagdaFR on Dec 23, 2019 23:49:20 GMT
I just watched The Two Popes on Netflix, and it’s terrific! It’s been getting good reviews, but I wasn’t expecting it to be so riveting - especially considering that it’s mainly two old men talking. I found it way more exciting to watch than any action movie! I watched it and it's very enjoyable. It's a pleasure to see two wonderful actors playing against each other but at the same time it's impossible not to feel a little cynical knowing the extremely awful context of the machinations of the Catholic Church before and after the death of John Paul II. They mentioned Maciel (who shamefully was Mexican!) but in general it's just a harmless little movie with two legends that doesn't really questioned anything. I watched yesterday! I felt a bit disappointed. I didn't know it was directed by Fernando Meirelles. Also, the cinematographer is César Charlone who is Uruguayan. It doesn't feel long because the two actors are so good. I think Pryce is the best one. His Argentine accent is wonderful. The problem with the movie is what sgev says. It doesn't really question anything. Ratzinger was/is a nazi and covered all the sexual assaults of lots of priests and Bergoglio is not much better. How long it took him to address what happens with sexual abuse? I remember what he did in Chile where he accused the victims of slander. I was expecting something more.
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Post by sgev1977 on Dec 24, 2019 0:32:33 GMT
TBF I have always thought that John Paul II was the worst. He was the one in charge when most of the cases were ignored or hidden. Also he was the one who had Maciel as a close friend. The thing is he was also very lovable and charismatic. I remember how people defended him and here in Mexico, defended Maciel! The accusation couldn't be real because both men were so nice and sympathetic!
I think Ratzinger is actually a fascinating figure. He is the total opposite of John Paul. Not very sympathetic and EXTREMELY but EXTREMELY conservative (JP II was considered a reformer). There is some documents that suggest he actually tried to do something about the abuses. At certain point, he was in charge of the investigation. He apparently despised Maciel (again, a close friend of the Pope) and his first big move as Pope was to do the thing it's rumored he couldn't do when John Paul was alive: going after Maciel and admitting the abuses but it was too little and too late. And clearly, not enough! The abusers should had gone to jail and the Church admittion should had been much more energetic. I actually think he would do a good character in a fictional film but he should be a much more tormented and tragic guy and, of course, more questionable!
I didn't knew about Bergoglio's past! I guess his role during the dictatorship presented in the film is real! They surely made him human but the redemption felt rushed and superficial.
It's enjoyable but it totally feels sanitized.
EDITED And I'm not defending Ratzinger! I agreed he covered up stuff! The debate is why and if it's true or not that he tried to do more and was stopped and, of course, his big failure to do something meaningful once he had the power to do it.
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Post by sgev1977 on Dec 24, 2019 1:07:24 GMT
Did Jonathan Pryce really did the dialogue in Spanish? Because it was perfect and yes, with an excellent Argentinean accent! I totally thought he was dubbed!
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Post by mllemass on Dec 24, 2019 1:40:15 GMT
I was expecting something more. I guess I liked it so much because I wasn’t expecting anything in particular.. I wasn’t even interested in seeing it until I saw Jonathan Pryce on Stephen Colbert last week, talking about it, and it looked really interesting.
I thought the movie was about the events leading to the resignation of one pope and the election of a new one - which had never happened before. The movie does suggest that the abuse scandal in the church was one of the reasons the pope was stepping down, but it’s uncertain. It wouldn’t have made sense if the movie had come to some conclusion that didn’t actually occur.
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Post by mllemass on Dec 24, 2019 1:42:16 GMT
Did Jonathan Pryce really did the dialogue in Spanish? Because it was perfect and yes, with an excellent Argentinean accent! I totally thought he was dubbed! Their Italian was pretty good, too. I was impressed by all the languages/accents they had to master for these roles!
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Post by MagdaFR on Dec 26, 2019 19:59:52 GMT
Did Jonathan Pryce really did the dialogue in Spanish? Because it was perfect and yes, with an excellent Argentinean accent! I totally thought he was dubbed! I've just found he didn't. It was really too good to be true.
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Post by sgev1977 on Dec 26, 2019 20:18:20 GMT
Now I'm disappointed! But yes, the accent was so natural that it was incredible that a non-Spanish speaking actor could do it! I mean Viggo Mortensen has a perfect Argentine accent and Gwyneth Paltrow, a Spanish one but they both actually speak Spanish and learned the language in those places!
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Post by queenzod on Dec 27, 2019 2:15:40 GMT
I’m sitting here thinking, “of course he did, because he did Brazil, right?” WHICH ISNT EVEN A SPANISH SPEAKING COUNTRY. Christ I’m an idiot, lol. 🤦🏻♀️
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