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Post by igs on Mar 20, 2017 8:15:00 GMT
the ridiculous fuss made over the "gay" scene. I've kind of managed to miss most of this fuss but much of it is Disney's fault. If your "big gay moment" makes people go "what gay moment?" then it possibly doesn't deserve a spot in your marketing campaign accompanied by "we have a gay character in our film, look at us being progressive!" If Condon or anyone at Disney hadn't made it into a big deal, it wouldn't be a big deal now.
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Post by MagdaFR on Mar 20, 2017 10:29:32 GMT
This is what Vulture says about the gay moment. Here is the "Exclusively Gay Moment"Early in the film, LeFou asks Gaston why he isn’t happy with just the two of them together, which is more of a slightly gay instant. Later, when Gaston asks him why he hasn’t settled down with a women, LeFou jokes that he’s too clingy — a vaguely gay insinuation. When he sings “Gaston,” he wraps Gaston’s arms around him, before Gaston pushes him aside — a gay-ish split-second. Then, as the villagers attack the Beast’s castle in the climax, LeFou shares a moment with Mrs. Potts, where she tells him that he deserves better than Gaston — some light gay condescension. Finally, an enchanted wardrobe attacks a trio of Gaston’s henchman, forcing them into powder, wigs, and dresses. Two are disgusted, but the third smiles — a sort of gender-bending moment. As the movie wound to the close, I worried the dress bit would be the “exclusively gay moment,” which would have been a cheat: It doesn’t mean the henchman is necessary gay or straight, just that he’s a fan of looking good.
But then, as the characters get together for a big celebration at the end of the film, the real “exclusively gay moment” arrives. During a group dance, LeFou starts off dancing with a woman, and then strikes up with the dress-loving henchman. It’s certainly a moment, because it lasts for two seconds at the most. It’s gay, in the sense that two male characters are doing something that expresses affection, though it feels so platonic they might as well be shaking hands. It’s certainly not exclusively gay, however, as other couples are still dancing in the background. To be exclusive, you have to exclude — get the straights out of the shot!
Disney can pat itself on its back all it wants for turning a villainous buffoon that was coded as gay in the original film into a morally ambiguous buffoon who is more obviously gay, confides in a teapot, and tries out dancing with a man. (And, to be fair, the mere existence of a gay character is still too much for some.) The true exclusively gay moment will have to come when two gay characters’ intimacy is actually at the center of the scene. Can we get a kiss? Or, since Moonlight won Best Picture, maybe even a hand job? We do hear nobody spits like Gaston.
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Post by mllemass on Mar 20, 2017 11:24:14 GMT
That's funny - and I mostly agree. But really most of LeFou's lines were right out of the animated movie, just like everything else. Unless you'd never seen the original, you would know that those scenes were always there.
But we (the audience) start feeling bad for LeFou as he realizes that Gaston is a creep, and I don't remember feeling that way in the original. So we're so happy that he's happy at the end - even if we only see 2 seconds of it.
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Post by roverpup on Mar 20, 2017 15:39:57 GMT
Saw One Day last night. Mllemass, I think it was you who said Anne Hathaway wasn't very good in it - I totally agree (except she is sooooo beautiful to look at!). Her accent was all over the map (of the British Isles that is). The story was OK and some of the moments in it were lovely, but I wouldn't recommend it to any of my friends or family. Jim Sturgess' character was bloody irritating for most of the movie. And mostly the characters just treated everyone around them like shit or whined about their life ad nauseam. And not in a funny, empathetic way either.
I did like the ending scene though - it was sentimental but not over done.
:-))
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Post by mllemass on Mar 20, 2017 17:08:00 GMT
The biggest problem I had with her was that her character was supposed to be funny. In the book, she was laugh-out-loud hilarious. In my mind, she was a nerdier Bridget Jones-type, and Anne Hathaway was nothing at all like that. I had my doubts about her playing that part, but I figured if Renee Zellweger could pull off a comedic British role, maybe AH could, too. I was so wrong! There must have been any number of young, funny actresses who could have done a better job.
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Post by queenzod on Mar 20, 2017 18:54:36 GMT
How, HOW is it possible that Anne Hathaway has an Oscar but Ben doesn't? ANNE HATHAWAY! Blech. 🤢
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Post by roverpup on Mar 20, 2017 19:05:17 GMT
How, HOW is it possible that Anne Hathaway has an Oscar but Ben doesn't? ANNE HATHAWAY! Blech. 🤢 I ask myself that question every time I am reminded that Nicholas Cage has an Oscar!! And another nomination as well! I chalk it up to "that's life". And that it doesn't make one whit of difference to me when I watch BC in a performance. 😂 I guess we all have subjective feelings about certain actors -- both positive and negative, that will always border on the extreme. :-))
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Post by igs on Mar 20, 2017 19:17:46 GMT
Nicholas Cage has an Oscar!! He does!? Haha I didn't remember that at all. I share your less-than-impressed feelings on Nic Cage, though I must say I do have some respect for him for making his own way when he could have floated by on his family's name. But still, Oscar... I did think Hathaway deserved her Oscar for Les Mis though. In general I think the hate towards her is totally overblown.
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Post by Hannah Lee on Mar 22, 2017 2:25:57 GMT
The two films I've seen most recently that really impressed me on one hand couldn't be more different. But on the other hand, they both featured aliens who came to Earth who set the events in the films in motion and they were both really entertaining in completely different ways.
Arrival and...wait for it...Galaxy Quest.
I didn't see Arrival in the theater, but only recently saw it at home. I found it very moving and thought Amy Adams was fantastic. Jeremy Renner was OK, but didn't add much to it that another actor couldn't have brought to the role. But the film as a whole stuck with me, made me think about how I view time and relationships and life in general: what matters, what impact do we have, what parts of our lives should we value and focus on. Not many films can draw a viewer to think such deep thoughts. I was glad to have seen it at home in a relaxed atmosphere where I could just be in the moment after I had watched it, instead of having that jarring experience of coming out of a movie theater into the real world.
And I rewatched Galaxy Quest the other night, and had forgotten how good it was. It worked on multiple levels, as a satire/parody of SCi-Fi while at the same time being a great fantasy/Sci-Fi film and showing the power of the human (and not so human) spirit to band together and combat malevolent forces in the world. Plus, Alan Rickman was fantastic. Tony Shaloub also really nailed his part.
One film I saw recently that disappointed me was La La Land. I so wanted to like it, but it felt that there really wasn't any there there.(similarly to how I felt about Boyhood) I thought Whiplash was fantastic, so La La Land was especially disappointing after that. I can see how it was this director's labor of love, referencing his affection for Hollywood and Hollywood musicals, but the two lead characters fell flat for me. The one plus with LLL is that Miles Teller had dropped out, so that he was not the lead. I think that actor combined with that character would have been too much of the same thing.
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Post by queenzod on Mar 22, 2017 4:23:57 GMT
Galaxy Quest is one of the best movies ever made, lol. For me, it will always be the exception to the rule, "Tim Allen movies suck." 😜
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