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Post by ellie on Feb 6, 2019 18:09:20 GMT
I think MF is cuter than JJ O’Neil but I wouldn’t climb over BC to get to either of them. 😀
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Post by sgev1977 on Feb 6, 2019 18:10:32 GMT
I liked Jonjo O'Neill in both Patrick Melrose and The Ballad of Buster Scruggs. He played slimmy and very ambiguous guys in both of them.
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Post by mllemass on Feb 6, 2019 18:46:46 GMT
I think MF is cuter than JJ O’Neil but I wouldn’t climb over BC to get to either of them. 😀 Ha! I completely agree!
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Post by queenzod on Feb 6, 2019 19:26:33 GMT
Truthfully, Ellie, I feel the same way. She tends to pop off with her mouth regardless of the consequences (or maybe even her own intentions). I know lots of people love her acting, but I thought she was the weakest actor in Sherlock.
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Post by ellie on Feb 6, 2019 22:55:23 GMT
Truthfully, Ellie, I feel the same way. She tends to pop off with her mouth regardless of the consequences (or maybe even her own intentions). I know lots of people love her acting, but I thought she was the weakest actor in Sherlock. I think she’s a good actress, I just don’t like her offscreen persona much Her role is Sherlock is a topic for a whole other discussion but I feel any weakness there was the fault of the writing. I feel strongly that with the extended role given to Mary Watson and the introduction of The Holmes parents the series lost its way for a while. The focus shifted away from what made the show the huge success it was and went off on too many tangents and jarring departures from ACD’s original and brilliant vision. It like I say that discussion needs a whole other thread. 😄
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Post by sgev1977 on Feb 11, 2019 21:56:22 GMT
For those interested, Abbington talks a lot about her and Freeman's separation here:
(She also criticizes Sherlock's last season. She is actually right in her observations but who knows how her comments will be received in certain quarters!) EDITED: I see she clarified the Sherlok comments,
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Post by ellie on Feb 11, 2019 22:27:08 GMT
I kind of agree with what she said about Moffat. But if he’d “just stuck to the stories” then she would not have been in Sherlock. Mary Watson gets barely a mention in the original stories.
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Post by mllemass on Feb 12, 2019 0:33:05 GMT
I don’t agree - I don’t think they pandered to the Sherlock fans. If they had, those fans wouldn’t have been so angry. I’m wondering if she meant that they killed her off to please the whiny Johnlockers, when she could have been written out in some other way.
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Post by sgev1977 on Feb 12, 2019 0:49:10 GMT
IMHO they pandered to fans since season 3 (remember the “theories” sequence including the ones with Sherlock kissing both Molly and Moriarty) but it’s impossible to satisfy those kind of fans so of course they would always be angry not matter what.
Agreed that her character was part of the pandering. Not the Johnlocks but to the ones who wanted a strong female role. At the end she was like a female Sherlock version (with John supposedly being attracted to those extreme personalities). Abbington is a very good actress but things indeed became extremely crazy.
The sister character was also bonkers, again even when it was played by a very capable actress.
Such a shame because the episode with Toby Jones was actually good but the other two were just too crazy.
EDITED: I’m not against strong female roles. The opposite! But it’s never good when it feels forced.
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Post by queenzod on Feb 12, 2019 4:41:17 GMT
No matter how you write it, a woman coming between Watson and Holmes in this day and age isn’t going to work. Not when it’s been set up from the beginning as a buddy show.
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