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Post by ellie on Feb 27, 2017 10:00:21 GMT
As you know I really disagree with you on this Roverpup. These people will only take over the conversation if their views are given credence. As it is any sane Sherlock fan or in fact any sane reader in general will find them and their fixation ridiculous.
Just let them have their virtual equivalent of a three year old's lying on the floor kicking and screaming tantrum and they will wear themselves out.
Arguing with them is, in my opinion, counterproductive because for them any attention just gives oxygen to their silly posturing.
To quote a wise friend of mine "trying to have an intellectual battle with them is engaging in combat with an unarmed individual."
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Post by roverpup on Feb 27, 2017 15:32:11 GMT
Ellie, I guess what I mean by "fight back" is not that you directly argue with them (you are totally correct - you can't reason, discuss, convince or rationalise with them at all). What I mean by "fighting back" is that you make sure their views are not the only ones out there and that people out there can see that there are actually rational folk who don't think the way the fanatics do. TJLCers are constantly claiming that they represent the "majority" of the Sherlock fandom viewpoint. I think it is kind of important that some people reply "Wait a minute - no, those people don't speak for me!". Same for the SH/BC Haters - they are always saying that they are telling people the real story about BC's marriage and family and I think there is nothing wrong with posting views that say "No, these people are delusional, scary and spreading lies". A person can do that in a number of ways that are positive and not directly confrontational. As a fan - celebrating BC/SH's relationship by posting some of the many pictures, videos and interviews that mention their marriage and family (like the VF or GQ articles, the clips of the Asian promotional tour for Dr. Strange, the premiere of DS in LA, etc.) or concerning Sherlock - expressing genuine feelings of support for M&G or the cast and crew when they are harassed by TJLCers. That is fighting back and not letting the nobs take over the conversation to me. It doesn't have to be confrontational at all, but I think it is important not to let the fanatics have the mic 100% of the time. If you never express views of support for things you admire then you abdicate your right of response to those who are nothing more than bullies. That's the type of "fighting back" I am talking about. And I also think "fighting back" can be done by people like M&G and Sue Virtue, Louise B., etc. when they are harassed by TJLCers by not taking their shit tweets ( e.g. the "RIP" tweet from Gatiss was perfect in my mind and exactly what I mean by "fighting back"). They don't have to get into a prolonged argument but sometimes I believe it is better that they show one quick thrust of FU and then move on. I think that is what BC did in the VF interview too. I know things like this aren't going to stop the crazies. Nothing will actually stop them (there is still a "Flat Earth Society" as proof  ), I think, because they are wrapped up in their own little bubble world of hate (both TJLCers and SH/BC Haters) and can't be touched by logic, reality or reason. But I really don't believe just ignoring their existence is the answer either. To reference your analogy - sometimes a screaming tantrum child completely disrupts the entire room and you can't just pretend they're not doing what they are obviously doing, when the rest of the people can't even carry on a conversation. I don't see anything wrong with saying, "That's enough!" and acknowledging that this kind of behaviour is completely unacceptable. :-)) |
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Post by ellie on Feb 27, 2017 16:27:44 GMT
Fair points Roverpup and I'm not saying other points of view should not be aired. I'm just against direct engagement with the haters/ranters because I think that gives their "views" a weight and acknowledgement they simply do not merit. I think it's also quite counterproductive as it only encourages them.
There's loads of stuff out there about Sherlock & BC's work and private life that is accurate and positive. Far more in fact in both volume and readership than there is of the twisted sisterhood of the entitled's rants. So my view is by all means contribute to the positive but don't engage directly with the "ranters."
Just like my favoured way of dealing with a small child's hissy fit in public is to simply remove them from the room so that everyone else can carry on doing what they were doing and the child has gained nothing from the bid to hijack the situation so they will get what they want.
But I do accept that opinions differ. 😀
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Post by pamina on Mar 1, 2017 18:54:45 GMT
Hello, this is not strictly off topic, but...
I typed a quick reply . I was logged in. When I hit the post button, I had to submit toa robot test and complied...
Now I can't see a piece of that reply.
Was it erased, moderated , or something was mishandled somehow ?
Thanks for reading,
Pam.
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Post by MagdaFR on Mar 1, 2017 19:38:23 GMT
I don't know what happened. The only times I had to submit a captcha/similar is when I used the "search" button.
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Post by pamina on Mar 2, 2017 17:17:35 GMT
Well, that's just as well. Shall keep this 'episode' as a reminder of how much and how long to get involved in this.
(Now, there might be something as too much point on a pencil, but... Currently I am playing at translating into my own language Sherlock's third season verbatim and description... I do this in pen, and at last the words have the decency to stay on the page... 😜)
Till later,
Pam.
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Post by MagdaFR on Mar 3, 2017 22:28:18 GMT
Where are you from? Which is your language, pamina? |
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Post by pamina on Mar 4, 2017 15:45:49 GMT
Er, don't you know ? My mother tongue is FRench.  But it does not show on the illustrations I plan to feed the work with. ;P Now, I am afraid otters shall began to get thrown at us when we don't stop this About the topic... I wondered about the toddler having tantrum simile... Children doing this in a public place are disturbing to the mind. In the 'real' word, somethimes a mother looks at her male progeny doing so with secret pride and utter love. Sometimes, a father scolds a 3 years old looking whimpering girl, with the final sentence :" behave, you are a woman, now !!!". And, bang, wallop. (Thoses are the most extreme and latest occurences in my mind.) In both cases, that's disturbing. Public places, public space, including virtual space is everyone's home. Not 'as much mine as yours'. Common. Isn't 'Commonwealth' a British thing ? When ones does not give a hang about what happens in the common home, including one's own, how can one express or feel surprise/disgust when dreadfull occurences of the political kind happen ? Citizenship is a bit about public space management, isn't it ? It might be that Mark Gattis should pay attention, at last take a note of the fact. Quid ? Till later Pam |
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), I think, because they are wrapped up in their own little bubble world of hate (both TJLCers and SH/BC Haters) and can't be touched by logic, reality or reason. 
But it does not show on the illustrations I plan to feed the work with. ;P