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Post by sgev1977 on Feb 12, 2024 2:08:41 GMT
It seems that Finnes is receiving a lot of flak for this,
In his defense, I would say that the issue is that “in his time” it was Conservatives who used to ban and censors things in the Western world. Now it’s both Conservatives and so called “progressives” but in any case, it’s still a huge illiberal action so yeah, new young progressives just believe they are progressives but they are just the old church lady. I also read a tweet saying that trigger warnings doesn’t harm people without trauma but helps people who suffer from it. Actually, that’s wrong! The best way someone could overcome a traumatic event is confronting their fears, especially the illogical ones like watching fictional stuff! That used to be no brainer and was frequently mentioned when the trigger warnings (a Tumblresque invention without any scientific value, by the way!) gained popularity. Now, it’s of course a huge taboo to criticizes those kind of ineffective and, yes, harmful ideas just because social media activists religiously believe on them (again, church ladies!). I remember a NYT piece, I think, with a psychologist mentioning that actually they are harmful to not traumatized people because they are now treated like victims and they are taught to fear words/images. I read a few pieces when I first googled to see what crazy stuff were those “trigger warnings” |
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Post by sgev1977 on Feb 12, 2024 2:20:16 GMT
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Post by queenzod on Feb 12, 2024 2:48:01 GMT
Interesting stuff. I do think some trigger warnings can be helpful, but you’ve also got to realize that sometimes art uses shock to get its point across. I’m not talking about those silly trigger warnings on college campuses so people never have to experience anything disturbing, ever. People need to figure out what is truly horrific to them and work with that. They can undertake exposure therapy for some kinds of trauma like phobias (I watched a great video of a therapist working with a woman who would have a meltdown over feathers. In about 15 minutes he had her actually holding a feather when she hadn’t been able to look at a feather in years. Fascinating technique.)
But yeah, part of life is dealing with unpleasant words, video, pictures, concepts, etc. No one is going to protect you into adulthood against those things.
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Post by roverpup on Feb 12, 2024 3:56:51 GMT
The last trigger warning I saw before watching something was one warning people that there was SWEARING in the show.
This wasn't just a general label that we see all the time that says that there's mature content, smoking or nudity.
This was a warning specifically directed to a certain group of people that they should be aware that there was "swearing" in this show and that they might be "triggered" as a result. It used those key words.
In what universe does this make any sense? People are triggered by swearing? My reaction is - how do they cope with life in the modern world? Or have the people doing these warnings totally lost sight of what real trauma is?
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Post by queenzod on Feb 12, 2024 4:37:52 GMT
In what universe does this make any sense? People are triggered by swearing? My reaction is - how do they cope with life in the modern world? Or have the people doing these warnings totally lost sight of what real trauma is? Bingo, RP. Some people try to curate everything around them to eliminate anything stressful, unpleasant, or against their religious beliefs, as if that’s possible. When the world won’t conform to their insistence they fire back and call others hostile to them, lol. And yes, I think they’ve never experienced trauma so don’t know what it is. They’ve mistaken inconvenience or disagreement for trauma. |
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Post by mllemass on Feb 12, 2024 5:58:39 GMT
This reminds me of the music censorship that happened years ago. Some parent group in the US wanted albums to get warning stickers so that their impressionable children would supposedly know which records to avoid.
I don’t remember if it ever happened, but I do remember that both Frank Zappa and Donny Osmond were against it. Ha! They both knew that those warnings would hurt their sales, but for different reasons. It was around the time Donny was trying to make a comeback with more “serious” music and create a new image that was different from his 1970s stuff. But, he said, when his new records come out without the warning (which of course they would), fans would likely not buy them because they would consider the music to be the same goody-goody stuff from his childhood. So much for his grittier new image if he’s G-rated!
About warnings . . . back when I was in elementary school, our teacher one day told us that a new movie had come out that we were never, ever to see! That movie was The Exorcist, and we were, of course, way too young to go see it. But in all my life, I have never wanted to see a movie more than the one my teacher told us never to see. I did see it eventually years later, on tv, and I could understand my teacher’s concern, since the movie was about a young girl who was around our age. It wasn’t until many years later that I saw it on tv again and realized that the previous version I’d seen had had scenes cut out. The uncut version truly was shocking - which was its point.
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Post by sgev1977 on Feb 12, 2024 11:54:56 GMT
I remember there was a TV movie about that incident around rock music. Wasn’t Tippi Gore involved? A Democrat! But, you know, even Democrats are kinda Conservative and have always been. The big difference was that she and her followers were considered silly and killjoys by artists and the kids they supposedly were protecting. Nowadays, those artists would be canceled by the “offended” kids! lol
In certain way, I think that was Finnes was talking about: he as a kid would think adults that don’t want him to see “dirty” movies or listening “rude” music were silly. Now, they are the ones trying to not see nor watch “nasty” stuff and worse, trying to others not watching it or, at least, warning them about the “evilness” of some art.
It’s sad but Conservatives won!
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