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Post by MagdaFR on Feb 8, 2018 17:52:14 GMT
That "open letter" is a whole lot of nonsense. He really seems to think that everyone agrees with him - he only liked S1 and S2, he hated S3, he felt cheated by The Abominable Bride. I would have found something else to watch rather than continue watching a show that kept disappointing me. It's interesting how these people ignore simple facts - the show remains amazingly popular all over the world, it's far superior to almost anything else out there, and a lot of people love the episodes that he hated. But people tend to have very short memories! The beloved S1 and S2 also happened to have the most disliked episodes (The Blind Banker and Hounds), according to most lists. If you look up the reactions to each episode as it aired, you can find lots of negative comments: the show isn't as good as it used to be, the writing has become weak, Moriarty is all wrong, there's too much humour and not enough crime solving, Mary has ruined the show, Elementary is better, the previous episode/season was much better. So this "open letter" is nothing new, even though the writer seems to think he's written something profound. This guy is a Sherlockian and what he didn't like about the show is that it stopped being mainly based on ACD' s stories to be mostly a Mofftiss story. I understand that. What part of TFP was based on an ACD story? There was only a mention of the three Garridebds but it wasn't essential to TFP . Same with TST. ACD story was like a plot device to move forward into Mary's demise. I still don't understand the huger hate on TFP than TST. TST is the lowest rated episode ever and deservedly. It was boring. TFP was entertaining. He continued watching Sherlock because he loved it and was hoping to see another season as S1 and S2. It's reasonable. What is not reasonable is too ask Mofftiss to move on especially if he welcomes any other kind of fan-fiction.
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Post by igs on Feb 8, 2018 18:19:12 GMT
Maybe for some people it's easy to just "get over" a series they used to love going to shit (in their opinion) but I personally tend to get really passionate about certain stories and then when they disappoint me I can't not express my displeasure. So I understand that guy's frustration, and I doubt he honestly thought Steven Moffat would be reading his letter. I'm still angry at the Hobbit trilogy and I'm still angry about Game of Thrones season 7 and I still rant about those. Why's that entitled or childish? Who gets to decide which franchises are above any and all criticism and which aren't? (And yes I don't like Steven Moffat, he comes across as a douchebag to me. But everyone here knows my opinion on that lol.)
I thought series 3 was pretty bad as well, but I turned up for series 4 and loved it. It's not on par with S1 and S2 but it was still great TV. Maybe that's why fans of something don't tend to give up and "find something new" if they don't like a few episodes of their favorite show?
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Post by ellie on Feb 8, 2018 20:25:11 GMT
I loved series one and two, I liked most of series three except for The Sign of Three and I loved Series Four. I especially love the happy ending which was ambiguous enough to allow all fanfic ships to stay afloat.
I get disappointed when shows I like go downhill but never enough to propel me into actually sending letters to the writers! I doubt Moffatt will be too bothered by this letter. He’s had to deal with the Dr Who Superfans for years and they make even the most deranged Johnlockers seem quite reasonable.
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Post by mllemass on Feb 8, 2018 20:57:37 GMT
This is your opinion, and mine is very different - and neither one is wrong. The guy who wrote that letter thought he was stating facts when they were really his opinions. I know people like that, and they're annoying. According to him, the episode was successful if it followed ACD's original stories. He's probably upset that Mrs Hudson is given lines to say and that Molly even exists. I haven't read the stories and I couldn't care less if the episodes are accurate.
Of course you're entitled to complain about anything you watch. I complain about stuff all the time! But I have to disagree with singling out a writer (or director or actor) to whine about something that didn't turn out the way you wanted. And yes, I do think it's childish.
I don't want Mofftiss to listen to this guy or to the shippers or to me!
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Post by mllemass on Feb 8, 2018 21:08:57 GMT
TSOT is my favourite episode (along with ASIB). I think it's perfect, and Benedict said in an interview that it was his favourite, too. Even so, I don't want another episode like it - I'll just watch that one again.
That's the beauty of a show like Sherlock! Every episode is unique and unlike any of the other episodes. But I can see how that might bother some viewers.
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Post by onebluestocking on Feb 8, 2018 21:30:59 GMT
If that were the case he would hate the entire show. None of the episodes follow the original stories.
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Post by queenzod on Feb 8, 2018 22:39:56 GMT
That is a common complaint after the first two seasons, tho. That they don’t draw enough on the ACD stories. Although if they had wanted to make a series doing that, they would have. I don’t see how people don’t get that. It’s a nod to canon, it’s not recreating it. I can understand being upset when your fav show doesn’t do what you want it to. But find something else to watch. There’s certainly enough choices out there. That letter smacks of self importance, which is a silly response.
I remember bailing on Xfiles when Chris Carter’s endless red herrings started to bother me. The bee on Scully that travelled thousands of miles on her and only decided to sting her when Mulder was going in for a kiss was my last straw, lol.
Life moves on. That guy should, too.
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Post by roverpup on Feb 9, 2018 2:55:23 GMT
I have seen fans of some TV shows start moaning about “it’s not like it used to be!!” from the second episode on! And I am not exaggerating one little bit. I also found this fellow’s article filled with an almost personal nastiness towards Moffat (especially with lines like “Go stick your grubby little hands into some other British intellectual property and leave Sherlock Holmes alone.”). Wow! That’s just an adult having a temper tantrum! After I read this I also found a number of “open letters” to Moffat (what is it with people writing all these tomes to Moffat on line???) and I think this one really offers some actual insight - it’s from this site - thedoctorwhocompanion.com/2018/01/05/an-open-letter-to-steven-moffat/It’s by a person who actually met Moffat and is also a professional writer, a reviewer, (and a fan of Dr. Who) - Here’s another relevant passage in light of Nunn’s particularly snide brand of critiquing- And further - And finally - Let me tell you from someone who knows a writer intimately... writers do feel when they are criticised in an especially personal, nasty way. I like the way this fellow ended the piece - For me, relating this back to Sherlock and the Moffat piece, perhaps if the writer of that “open letter” had shown a little more humility himself and a little less of the immature pouty child who didn’t get what he expected and wanted to make sure SOMEONE PAID for his disappointment!!! then his piece would have come across as a thoughtful overview on the series and not just a inflammatory personal attack of Moffat. But the utter bitterness of this writing makes me wonder why this fellow would keep watching something he despised so deeply if not just to use it to attack someone later as payback. And that seems ultimately very, very petty and small minded to me. :-))
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Post by mllemass on Feb 9, 2018 8:55:21 GMT
I agree. This has had me thinking back to when I first discovered Sherlock. After watching S1 and S2, I was eager to read everything I could find about it. That led me to tumblr and Johnlockers and fanfiction, and it was fascinating! I was impressed by the attention to detail that had to have come from hours of re-watching the episodes. I particularly remember someone pointing out that Sherlock's t-shirt is inside-out in the "Bored!" wall-shooting scene in S1E3. I can't watch that now without looking closely at his t-shirt.
Even when fans' theories were a bit far-fetched, they were still fun to read. And to be fair, the show encouraged such scrutiny at first, telling us to pay attention to every little thing because it all means something and matters. But then something changed, and some fans took it too far and decided they knew the show so well that they should decide what happened next. I remember when the demands began with threats of "We're the ones who made your show famous, so you owe us! Do the show our way, or else!"
That's when I stopped reading that stuff.
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Post by queenzod on Feb 9, 2018 9:45:28 GMT
Some of those metas were really interesting to read. I particularly liked the IOU/chemistry theory. Lotta work in that meta. I don’t really understand this sour grapes/dog in the manger mentality that goes on in fandom. If I don’t like it sucks and I’m so important everyone should listen to me. It would be funny if they weren’t so annoying, lol.
I actually was on board the Johnlock train until they got so militant it got ruined for me.
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