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Mank
Dec 6, 2020 4:46:42 GMT
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Post by roverpup on Dec 6, 2020 4:46:42 GMT
Rarely happens, but oh boy did Dan and I have differing opinions on Mank!
He HATED it! Found it dull and confusing. But then he HATED Citizen Kane as well.
I thought it was interesting but flawed.
I really liked the homage aspects to Citizen Kane. They were faultless - absolute perfection! Lighting, camera techniques, music, deep focus, credits, all the aesthetics - everything mirrors Kane.
The acting was also flawless. Oldman, Dance, Seyfried, Howard. They all are totally believable in their roles.
What is off about this movie is that it lacks a deep emotional centre to me. I just don't feel the character's pain, regret, outrage or whatever. Watching the film I feel distanced from anything that should make me feel something important is at stake. And I SHOULD feel mountains of empathy towards this story because of my personal situation of living with a writer all my adult life.
And I don't feel the other characters' stories either, so I'm thinking the writing is at fault. But I can't quite fault individual scenes - some of those scenes were brilliant! Yet the overall effect is not forceful and the emotion doesn't drive the movie.
Still it is an interesting movie to watch.
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Mank
Dec 6, 2020 12:10:05 GMT
Post by sgev1977 on Dec 6, 2020 12:10:05 GMT
I planned to watch it yesterday but instead I watched Harriet (And an Eric Rohmer film on mubi) because I like to do the opposite Twitter says I should do but TBH I really want to watch this one!
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Mank
Dec 6, 2020 16:40:46 GMT
Post by queenzod on Dec 6, 2020 16:40:46 GMT
I watched it last night and loved it! Gary was fabulous, as always, although sometimes I had a hard time understanding what he was saying, most of his lines were so thrown away and spoken so quickly, as were a lot of them.
Agreed that the whole CK “look” was done to perfection. The camera angles, lighting, all that stuff just screamed Orson Welles. Oh! And Tom Burke, the guy who played Orson (and very competently, too - great voice work) also played Davey in Third Star with BC. He’s got quite a little following for himself amongst the fangirls.
RP, I thought there’s was tons of emotion swirling through the whole thing! I didn’t have a problem connecting with it, even if most of the characters were kind of aholes. Jeez what a horrible, cut throat business.
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Mank
Dec 7, 2020 4:09:09 GMT
Post by sgev1977 on Dec 7, 2020 4:09:09 GMT
I finally watched it and it's actually very different of what I thought it would be. I imagined it like a moral story of a man betraying a friend in his intent of exhibit a nasty powerful man but it wasn't anything like that. Actually, Marion Davis is portrayed as a dumb bimbo, even if it's mentioned that she is smarter than what people thought. She isn't far away of Welles version of her. Melanie Griffith's version in RKO 281, gave her much more dignity.
Instead it's mostly a political story about powerful men creating "fake news" and naive writers thinking they could confronting them. It's a love letter to the rebellious writer but it presented them as a Don Quixote figures. Mad suicidal figures. It's technically brilliant but probably unsurprisingly it lies heavily on the script. The dialogue is fast, witty and old style Hollywood and, of course, there is a lot of it! I really liked it but I understand why roverpup says the film lacked emotion. The most dramatic conflict it's the fictitious Mank's friend who is forced to do fake documentaries against the candidate he admires and things end tragic for him but it's almost a footnote in the plot. Also why the character who didn't exist is the most emotional of all?! The real life conflicts are almost ignored: Marion doesn't seem to be very worried that she is about to be publicly humiliated by the best movie of ALL TIME!!!; Hearst is so cold that he actually didn't seem to care too much for the insignificant writer (in real life he was very angry!); the wife is, well, just the wife; other famous figures, including Orson Welles, are TBH almost cartoons of real life versions. I think the humanity in the film is almost exclusively in Gary Oldman's performance. He is very vulnerable as an alcoholic who actually doesn't seem to have a clear idea why he is doing the career suicide he is about to commit. Of course, there is some idealism in him but he clearly knows that at the end he will lost against both Hearst and Welles.
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