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Oct 3, 2021 12:36:06 GMT
Post by mllemass on Oct 3, 2021 12:36:06 GMT
We’ve been trained to wear masks and keep our distance from people for so long that it really was shocking to see them kissing! Even going out now and seeing bare faces makes me suddenly stop what I’m doing and want to run away from them. It will take time to get used to it, I guess!
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Oct 3, 2021 13:35:10 GMT
Post by queenzod on Oct 3, 2021 13:35:10 GMT
I tend to think they were just joking. There’s a lot of down time on shoots and I’m sure actors sit around and make up all kinds of silly things just to have something to talk about to pass the time and stretch their imaginations, and human beings tend to be playful and creative anyway. I don’t think they used it to develop their characters. 🤷🏻♀️
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Oct 3, 2021 14:30:26 GMT
Post by sgev1977 on Oct 3, 2021 14:30:26 GMT
Who knows? But Campion actually said “They don’t really did that!” with Dunst proudly answering “We did!” Maybe a dumb joke on set but yeah, awful interpretation of the plot!
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Oct 3, 2021 14:43:38 GMT
Post by queenzod on Oct 3, 2021 14:43:38 GMT
Well, of course Peter didn’t kill his father, but I think there’s room to wonder if Peter is some kind of sociopath. There is the stuff with the rabbits and many serial killers were well known for animal abuse as children. You could argue on a psychological/Oedipal basis that any man is merely an extension of his mother, and therefore by protecting her he’s protecting himself. They did allude to Gestalt theory on stage when they were talking about their prep, sitting in chairs talking to their characters as if they were actually sitting there, too. That’s classic Gestalt therapy technique.
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Post by sgev1977 on Oct 3, 2021 15:28:14 GMT
Yes, it could be an interpretation. Especially with what I read it’s the first phrase in the film and without the Johnny subplot but I think it’s an awful one because it deletes a lot of what Peter means in the book. I mean, he is in part of a mystery as it’s a lot in the book and he indeed wants to protect his mother (and revenge his father) and he commits a very sociopathic act but there’s all that subtext in the book about him being accepted as he is by his beloved mother meanwhile Phil is considered a some kind of abomination by his parents (they run from the ranch because something related to him but it’s never mentioned what exactly happened between them and at the end neither of them dares to say aloud what they think he was (it’s apparently a taboo word) but kind of think he was destined (deserved?) to end like he ends. They were ashamed of him! The book also mentions that after years of suffering bullying from other kids, Peter meets friends like him in his new school and they all dream with go to the more liberal Europe. If he is just a psycho obsessed with his mother then they erase all this complexity about his differences with Phil and the duality between them. He likes Phil is a sociopath but an even worse one because he is a murderer and if he isn’t gay then he is just a psycho who kills gays? About him killing animals. He does it because he wants to be a doctor like his father (he admires him!). He has a scientific curiosity. One of the reviews noted the difference of Phil and Peter academic studies: classics (all passion?) and science (calm and coldness?). Also the wonderful Slate review claims Peter’s act is one of charity killing a fatality wounded animal and no, he wasn’t talking just about the rabbit . Those are interesting interpretations to me. I just don’t like the one about him being Norman Bates in the Wild West! And I liked that it was clear that Campion also hated it! Lol
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Oct 3, 2021 15:51:25 GMT
Post by sgev1977 on Oct 3, 2021 15:51:25 GMT
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Oct 3, 2021 16:30:56 GMT
Post by queenzod on Oct 3, 2021 16:30:56 GMT
I think there’s a lot of nuance and complexity, as you say, sgev, on what’s going on with Peter, Phil, their mothers and the intersection between them all. But I’m not going to rule out psychopathic tendencies in either of them. There are still degrees in psychopathy as well. Sure Peter and the rabbits can be seen as merely scientific curiosity, but there’s lots of rabbits, isn’t there? Doesn’t Rose ask him to stop bringing them into the house? (At least in the book - I don’t know if that made it to the movie.)
Lol I’m talking about it and I haven’t seen it yet! But all of this is making me very curious!
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Oct 3, 2021 16:56:43 GMT
Post by mllemass on Oct 3, 2021 16:56:43 GMT
Yes!
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Oct 3, 2021 18:55:14 GMT
Post by sgev1977 on Oct 3, 2021 18:55:14 GMT
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Post by MagdaFR on Oct 3, 2021 20:32:57 GMT
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