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Post by MagdaFR on Sept 9, 2023 13:00:07 GMT
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Post by MagdaFR on Sept 9, 2023 14:20:08 GMT
It was about Bayona's movie La sociedad de la nieve, about my fellow countymen cannibals (I'm not being serious).
Because of Yellowjackets I recently read more about the Andes tragedy and the story is a real drama. Perhaps because it was something about a very elite group of people, generally rich, catholic, who tried to hush (very easy for their families to do it) what had happened and, in a very turbulent time in Uruguay, politically speaking, it is a topic which is/was viewed very different from different sections of our society.
But, at a human level, it is really heart-wrenching. The corpses were from their friends and family. Some didn't eat anything and die, some who knew they were going to die asked them to use them, etc. I think that being religious helped them very much. Here the fact that they tried to relate the eating to mass and communion, from a part of Uruguayan society, was seen as just hyppocrtical and an excuse for what they did. But, some of them were very religious. And, also, what would have done anyone in that situation? I think you'll never know.
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Post by sgev1977 on Sept 9, 2023 15:45:01 GMT
I think it’s a story that kinda moved a lot of people not just in Uruguay but also in the world because I think this is the third fictional film about the accident. Maybe there is more! There is this very bad 1970s Mexican shock movie about it that it seems was pretty objectionable. Then there was that film with Ethan Hawke playing one of the survivors in the 1990s. I wonder what kids would think about the cast today! (Ok, I know it!) and now, this Netflix film. It would be interesting to see how it manages the the theme. But also, it’s fascinating how every 20/30 years we have a new interpretation of the tragedy.
EDITED, I searched on Wikipedia to see if there’s more films about the theme and there are a few documentaries but also apparently the awful Mexican movie was number 1 in American box office,
*facepalm*
Also it was deservedly panned by Roger Ebert and the NYT! Lol
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Post by queenzod on Sept 9, 2023 16:04:38 GMT
I find cases of cannibalism so fascinating. Of course it’s horrendous and awful and everyone says they would never do such a thing but there are many famous cases all over the world of people doing just that, mostly in desperate survival mode. Here in Colorado we had Alfred Packer who was the only one of a party of prospectors in 1874 who came out of the mountains after killing (involuntary manslaughter), and eating 5 people in the dead of winter. The grill at the local student union on campus is named after him.
And then there was the Donner party, caught snowbound in winter trying to get to California, and even worse cases in China under Mao and their famine where they cooked and ate their own babies. And many, many cases of sailors stranded at sea following “the law of the sea,” and eating their comrades after they died, probably more than we’ll ever know about. One of those were the sailors who were chased by that crazed whale, the story of which Melville turned into Moby Dick. Lots of cannibalism at sea, apparently.
I find it interesting that folks like to talk about it like it’s some deviant behavior when it’s been well documented to happen in dire circumstances, so perhaps not so deviant after all. Well, there are folks like Jeffrey Dahmer, who were clearly psychotic.
It’s comforting to hear about the religious comfort presented in that case, sgev, people wanting to be helpful to others, even in their own deaths. That’s very honorable, imo.
ps. There was that Jim Jarmusch film Dead Man with Johnny Depp, a very strange, dreamlike and beautiful movie who had a cannibal character. The thing is, when they cut to him chowing down on his comrade he was eating a hand! Why would you choose to eat a stringy, bony hand when there’s a nice, plump thigh to knosh on? 😂
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Post by sgev1977 on Sept 9, 2023 16:26:33 GMT
Dead Man is a wonderful poetic film but yeah, it’s not a realistic one and has a lot of comedy in it. That was a comedic scene!
Alfred Pecker is also the subject of the first movie by the South Park guys: Cannibal! The Musical Much more unserious film than Dean Man, of course!
I think the Andes case is much recent and in a Western country so probably that’s why it affects people a lot.
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Post by MagdaFR on Sept 9, 2023 18:13:48 GMT
I find it interesting that folks like to talk about it like it’s some deviant behavior when it’s been well documented to happen in dire circumstances, so perhaps not so deviant after all. Yes, they did what they could to survive. But, the Uruguayan press presented it as a miracle. They had travelled to Chile on October 12th or 13th and they found them like December 22nd and they had rescued everyone by Dec 23, just before Christmas. And so the story of the miracle by the press. The survivors initially said they had survived on some food they had for the trip and herbs. And thus the contempt from a lot of people when some days after some Chilean newspapers published some pictures of legs or something half eeaten. I'm sure it wasn't easy to talk to the families of their friends or crew about what had happened, I imagine they wanted to return to Montevideo to talk to them personally. Anyway I personally don't condemn them. As I don't blame the lots of prisoners of the State who, more or less by the same year and '73 and '74, and following years were tortured by the military for being in the guerrilla or left wing parties and denounce others.
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Post by sgev1977 on Sept 9, 2023 18:41:19 GMT
The winners,
Golden Lion for Best Film: “Poor Things,” Yorgos Lanthimos Grand Jury Prize: “Evil Does Not Exist,” Ryusuke Hamaguchi Silver Lion for Best Director: “Me Captain,” Matteo Garrone Special Jury Prize: “Green Border,” Agnieszka Holland Best Screenplay: “El Conde,” Guillermo Calderón, Pablo Larraín Volpi Cup for Best Actress: “Priscilla,” Cailee Spaeny Volpi Cup for Best Actor: “Memory,” Peter Sarsgaard Marcello Mastroianni Award for Best Young Actor: “Me Captain,” Seydou Sarr
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Post by MagdaFR on Sept 9, 2023 19:29:03 GMT
They went more for international films.
Not much for the oscar pundits who are probably raging. Not going to check.
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Post by sgev1977 on Sept 9, 2023 19:29:29 GMT
So Pablo Larrain’s film is the only one from Netflix that won something.
Also the two films directed by Latinos won something! Yay! Especially, because Cannes tends to ignore Lain Americans.
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Post by sgev1977 on Sept 9, 2023 19:59:24 GMT
I am speculating but it’s interesting that the two winning actors were there and the two are Americans! (Is she American? She is still surely a SAG member). I wonder if the waivers/going to the festival was a factor in their winning. You know, the visibility. Obviously, they also were helped by their films. Emma Stone, who allegedly gives a unforgettable performance in Poor Things and wasn’t there, could not win because her film won the main award.
Anyway, I’m actually glad they were there. It would be sad to win such a big award and not receiving it (Remember when BC didn’t went for his NYFCC award? I think it was around he was in quarantine in Wes Anderson’s house! It was after the BAFTAS and a lot of people got it there!)
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