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Post by MagdaFR on Nov 20, 2022 13:01:06 GMT
I didn't read most of the posts yet but re the verified accounts, according to what I read, were implemented because twitter was sued by some people who were impersonated.
I found very sensible to verify public figures including politicians, scientists, organizations, etc. It's not a thing about privilege, it's about safety to others because of scammers.
I use twitter mostly to search the news and I rarely post, I just like or retweet things I like and sometimes comment on other people's posts. Even so yesterday I was followed by Paul McCartney! He made a new account to contact his fans directly and started following just 25 lucky ones including me!
Yesterday I also discovered that I was in 5 or 6 groups which I never joined. You have to check your dm's.
So, Elon's idea of selling the verification to me is the worst.
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Post by sgev1977 on Nov 20, 2022 14:35:49 GMT
Of course verified accounts were not just something good but also necessary. The issue was that at certain point it wasn’t just about celebrities or big companies but about some minor celebrities and journalists suspiciously getting them before more relevant figures (the example of the account with 200 followers I mentioned above. It’s a little, I guess, like some Rotten Tomatoes “critics” who no one knows). I think that was what Musk was “rebelling” against but he didn’t understood the obvious that, of course, verified accounts were something necessary! If there was something illegal in the way of getting verifications as he claims then he should had checked case by case not opening it to everyone!
About Donald Trump: he is a stupid man so who knows but, according to reports, he has an “exclusive” deal with the site he migrated after being banned by Twitter so probably he won’t return to Twitter, anyway.
By the way, I have the worst opinion about Trump but I think he shouldn’t have been banned by Twitter. I think it helped him at the time because he was seen as a victim by his followers. At this moment of time, though, it probably would help more to the Democrats to have him attacking DeSantis in a big platform!
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Post by sgev1977 on Nov 20, 2022 15:09:43 GMT
And apparently, he already refused the offer!
He doesn't admit it’s because a deal with the other company, tho.!
Another odd decision by Musk. He wouldn’t have Trump returning to his site but he still did that silly charade. Was he just trolling? He isn’t clearly very good managing Twitter.
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Post by queenzod on Nov 20, 2022 15:10:38 GMT
I think Trump should absolutely have been banned, and he should never be reinstated. He used Twitter to incite his followers into a murderous insurrection against the US government and its elected representatives in an attempt to illegally remain in power. I don’t think behavior like that should be supported. The man’s a danger to democracies all around the world. Free speech and debate is one thing, but that is quite another.
Anyway, he does have some sort of agreement with Truth Social that anything he posts has to be theirs exclusively for like 6 hours or something like that, so yeah, maybe he won’t return to Twitter. That would be great!
Oooo, Magda, Paul McCartney! What a score! Be sure to never wash your device again, lol.😉
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Post by sgev1977 on Nov 20, 2022 15:32:47 GMT
He should be legally judged with maybe those tweets he wrote like proof that he didn’t accepted democracy but I still think it was a bad move to making him look like the “victim” of censoring. That always help the “causes” of people like him.
But again, the issue is probably the very concept of social media owned by just a few who decide what it’s permitted and what’s banned. It was better in the early Internet days with forums like this one in which the participants and not a rich guy moderated the sites. Extremists existed but they were just in their small corner (probably observed by authorities!) but with almost not impact in established media and politics.
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Post by sgev1977 on Nov 20, 2022 16:31:23 GMT
I *almost* feel sorry for Musk! Lol
I read yesterday that he was legally tied to that Conservative site so this idiot seems to be lying… again!
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Post by queenzod on Nov 20, 2022 17:12:50 GMT
If his mouth is making sounds, he’s lying, lol.
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Post by sgev1977 on Nov 21, 2022 15:24:23 GMT
West shouldn’t be on Twitter at all but probably in a perfect world he would be banned by his own family or friends. The sad thing is that he probably doesn’t have anyone who really loves him by his side. He is clearly a very ill man! I recently read an interesting article about how social media is obsessed with protect/help people with mental health issues but they are referring only to simple issues or TBH auto diagnosed non-existed issues. In the case of West, they were seeing an extreme real case and how paranoid bipolarity isn’s something nice to watch. I know someone like him and it’s awful and painful.
I remember once a video of a woman screaming racist stuff towards some Mexican in a bus went viral and all people here were hating her and using her as an example of American racism but it was very clear that she was having a mental breakdown and don’t get me wrong, she and West could be dangerous in that state, to them and others. That’s the tragedy! But a) it’s not their real selves; b) Internet activists would never admit that mental issues make people to say and do extreme things and would prefer to believe that people are simply evil and good. That way of thinking is just old religious thinking and doesn’t help to anyone.
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Post by queenzod on Nov 21, 2022 17:42:44 GMT
Couldn’t agree more, sgev. I think in general there’s an enormous lack of understanding around mental illness. Look at the media’s response to Trump, who is a psychiatrist’s nightmare, and has been accurately described and diagnosed by hundreds, if not thousands of mental health experts, and yet the media persists in their “why is he like that?” stance. It’s so frustrating.
Granted, diagnosis is a slippery thing and we have yet to completely understand how wonky the mind can get and slot all that into neat categories, but it’s not like we’re poking around in utter darkness. I think it just makes people uncomfortable so they pretend it doesn’t exist. That the person could change if they only tried hard enough and if they can’t then they’re Evil. People are more complicated than that.
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Post by sgev1977 on Nov 21, 2022 19:08:21 GMT
It seems he has some limits…
And, of course, Jones actually lost a case of defamation but still the question is why is he the only person who decides which speech is “dangerous” and which it’s not.
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