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Post by sgev1977 on Sept 19, 2023 13:56:50 GMT
Agreed. That's why they need to go to the police. But also, the article against him seems very strong, one woman not just has messages in which he admits having hurt her but also medical records and, at least certain point, her underwear with physical evidence frozen. She just decided against presenting charges at the last minute but the police was already involved.
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Post by jbc12 on Sept 19, 2023 14:45:52 GMT
I’m vehemently against trial by media. I think let the proper authorities investigate and due process be applied before guilt or innocence is decided. I'm sure we all agree on that. It should be up for criminal investigation and it's up to the police to look into it and determine guilt or innocence. However, sometimes it takes an exposé to bring these things to light because your average joe/jane cannot stand up to someone in such a position of power. We know that victims often cannot report the crimes due to feelings of shock, fear, intimidation or shame. On a case like this, with investigative journalists handling the matter sensitively and multiple people coming forward, victims often feel supported and are emboldened to share their story because they know they're not alone. Sometimes it is what's needed unfortunately. Thankfully, there appears to be proper records and evidence here. Which is why I find the current trend of leaping instantly from accusation to conviction via media before any kind of due process has taken place to be very problematic. I'm one of the morons. I got taken in by media reporting and the online discourse twice (Hammer and Schofield). I do think it's terribly damaging how quickly people will conflate conjecture with facts, and those of us who aren't smart enough to do due diligence end up believing misinformation. My particular bugbear here is the articles saying "others" are under scrutiny without specifying whom. It means that people will speculate and throw any name they can think of into the discussion, ruining reputations as they go. It's worrying how many times I've seen comments along the lines of "He always gave me bad vibes" or "He has that look about him". It's awful. Can you imagine if we started persecuting people based on "vibes" and appearances, rather than evidence!? I'm hoping the trend will die out. edit to add: Russel Brand was undoubtedly an extremely promiscuous and polarising character. Does that mean the allegations being made about him are true? I simply don’t know. Just one more thought... I think I've already said this but, there's a huge difference between being promiscuous and being predatory. We don't know all the facts, nor should we, it's for the police. However, we know there's evidence of a pattern of behaviour and at least one victim going to a rape clinic so that's something beyond him being promiscuous. We'll see what comes of the investigations. In the meantime, I don't think he should be used by either side to push political agendas, as is currently happening. The victim shaming is also abhorrent. Whatever the facts are here, there are victims all over the place looking at the public's responses vilifying them and that attitude will prevent other victims of SA (in regular life, unrelated to this case) from coming forward.
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Post by ellie on Sept 19, 2023 15:09:49 GMT
Of course there is a huge difference between bring promiscuous and being predatory. That is why I’m finding the “ooh he’s well known for shagging a lot of women therefore the accusations that he’s a predator must be true” worrying. Two things are being conflated which are not the same. He may very well be guilty and if so he deserves punishment. I just always feel uneasy in the court of media where judge and jury are frequently people who know next to nothing about the situation. Let due process take place.
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Post by jbc12 on Sept 19, 2023 15:19:34 GMT
Well said, Ellie. I agree with you. As I said, I understand the necessity of an exposé in some cases but, I feel that it's the circus around it that needs to go (I say this knowing that I'm also contributing to the problem by following the stories and commenting on it).
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Post by queenzod on Sept 19, 2023 15:26:52 GMT
What’s making me angry is those who are blowing off the accusations because of his political ideas, crying “witch hunt.” While I do think conservative men seem to have more sexual abuse charges against them than liberal men, one’s (probably?) got nothing to do with the other, or at least it shouldn’t matter to the investigation that needs to be undertaken. But it makes sense that men who hold conservative beliefs tend to objectify women more than someone with, say, more modern beliefs.
Nearly every week here in the states there’s another Christian/evangelical youth pastor getting arrested for pedophelia. What’s up with that?
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Post by ellie on Sept 19, 2023 15:39:09 GMT
Thing is Brand’s political stance, like much else about him, is very unclear. He has expressed both left and right wing views. He’s a very odd & complex person in lots of ways. Which makes it even harder to know whether these allegations are true. I do hope they are properly and thoroughly investigated though so that the outcome is credible - whatever it may be.
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