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Post by MagdaFR on Jul 23, 2017 9:08:37 GMT
I can't attach it because it is too big. I really couln't see much and there is an annoying guy screaming all the time. I can't understand such enthusiasm. streamable.com/adq6i
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Post by mllemass on Jul 23, 2017 12:31:55 GMT
I don't understand the enthusiasm, either. I feel silly enough when I sit alone at home cheering on a character on tv (yes, I squealed and clapped at Moriarty's "Miss me?") - I can't imagine doing it in public surrounded by strangers!
The YouTube movie reviewer Jeremy Jahns was viciously attacked in the comments section of his less-than-rave review of Dunkirk. You can tell in the video that he seemed nervous and predicted that he would be hated by his viewers, so he was so careful in stating his criticism in a positive way: it just wasn't his kind of movie. But people in the comments said insane things like "I haven't seen it yet, but I know it's the best movie ever and you don't know what you're talking about!" - only with vulgar language and death threats. Apparently, those people are going to stop following JJ now and only follow reviewers who love Dunkirk!
I really don't understand getting so carried away by a movie.
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Post by igs on Jul 23, 2017 12:54:43 GMT
I don't understand the enthusiasm, either. I feel silly enough when I sit alone at home cheering on a character on tv (yes, I squealed and clapped at Moriarty's "Miss me?") - I can't imagine doing it in public surrounded by strangers! I'm the exact opposite. It's like a rock concert, it's so easy to jump and scream along but I would feel like a fool if I were to do it at home! I always get egged on by everyone else's reactions, I've screamed myself voiceless in some random football match in Bolivia I certainly wouldn't have cared for at all otherwise (although I'm a football fan, not so much that I'll regularly get swept away by teams I didn't even know existed beforehand) and I remember howling through like Madagascar (the first one) in the cinemas but then barely chuckling when I saw it at home.
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Post by MagdaFR on Jul 23, 2017 15:19:31 GMT
The YouTube movie reviewer Jeremy Jahns I went to watch him and I found him annoying. Of course it is very stupid to stop watching his reviews if you liked them before because you don't agree with one of them. Re Dunkirk, I'm interested in watching it. I think Nolan is a bit more cerebral/intellectual than emotional. I don't need a film to make me feel/suffer/cry to enjoy it so I'm ok with it. Some movies are studies on situations or characters or life itself like some films by Alain Resnais. Haha I just started to think about Resnais and Nolan and googled them together and there are articles on how Nolan takes elements from Resnais (some people accused Nolan of ripping Resnais at least re Inception and now I'm thinking in Interstellar).
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Post by mllemass on Jul 23, 2017 15:58:01 GMT
Oh yes, he's definitely annoying! But I like variety in the reviewers I watch, and he's one that I follow. I usually wait until I've seen the movies before I watch the reviews, but if I have no intention of seeing the movie (like with Dunkirk), I'll watch the review anyway.
I have no idea if I would agree with his review, but it does bother me, too, when I can't tell characters apart! And if a movie doesn't make me care about the characters, I really don't care about the movie (like with Manchester by the Sea).
And while I'm complaining about movies, I'm becoming more and more irritated with movies that are too lazy to make their male leads interesting enough for the female leads to fall for them. They have a strong, intelligent, funny, beautiful leading lady who falls in love with some so-so guy. The movies don't even bother casting men who are especially good-looking so that you could justify a physical attraction! Notting Hill (which I love) did the opposite - they gave us a wonderful male character while leaving the female (Julia Roberts) not particularly interesting. Maybe there was more to her character than what we saw, but she really wasn't good enough for Hugh Grant!
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Post by MagdaFR on Jul 23, 2017 17:48:31 GMT
And if a movie doesn't make me care about the characters, I really don't care about the movie (like with Manchester by the Sea). Haha I thought about your relationship with Manchester by the Sea while I was writing the previous message. You don't have to care about the characters, there are lots of different people in the world that you just don't relate to, but I think it is rather strange that you can't relate to the protagonist and his impossibility of dealing (positevely) with his grief or the way he deals with so much pain and guilt. Heart-wrenching. Obviously we had different life/cultural experiences. I still think it was last year best picture nominee. I'm only too happy La la land didn't win. Talk about not caring for a character (Emma Stone's).
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Post by sgev1977 on Jul 23, 2017 22:01:03 GMT
I think Marvel not just do movie but also fabricate hype and that's why we have all those incredible crazy reaction about something that is practically unwatchable!
About Nolan, I agreed he is more cerebral than anything and that's a clear problem in his other films. I haven't watched Dunkirk yet but yes, I can see him doing a classic just with his technicality. The very few negative comments I have read about the movie is in that sense: there's no heart and the gimmick is great but it's just a gimmick. I was thinking in another brilliant cerebral director with a huge talent for the gimmick and the technique, Kubrick but I think that sometimes he actually could show some heart, the young girl fearfully singing in his war movie, Path of Glory but more than that he was about human nature. Sometimes about very ugly impulses but ugly very human impulses. I think sometimes humanity is absence in Nolan movies.
Alain Resnais is an extremely human director IMHO. I personally can't see the similarities with Nolan but I will think about it!
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Post by dreamsincolour on Jul 23, 2017 23:25:03 GMT
I can't attach it because it is too big. I really couln't see much and there is an annoying guy screaming all the time. I can't understand such enthusiasm. streamable.com/adq6iThe trailer's gone now, but it shouldn't be so very long before it gets released officially. Was BC in it or not? I'll watch for the official trailer anyway, but in truth, it wouldn't have occurred to me to get all hyper about it either. And it wouldn't make a difference if I was at home or in public. In a way, though, having read IGS talk about screaming at her football match in Bolivia, I 'm actually a bit sad that I couldn't do that. I've always been quite enthusiastic about the many things I particularly like, but there's a subtle difference between enthusiasm and excitability, and the latter escapes me. Re "Dunkirk", I have to say that that's a film I'm certainly looking forward to. I'll go to see it during the week. I'm British, of course I want to see it! It'll probably make me cry, because I'm just so empathetic to what Dunkirk represented. Very occasionally they've had a commemorative procession of some of the surviving little ships up the Thames, and thousands still turn out to see them. I remember watching the last one, and watching all the huge cranes that line parts of the Thames dipping their heads as if they were bowing as the little ships passed. Wonderful! And that had tears streaming down my face, from just watching it on television! There's no question that the film will do fantastically well here. There've been a few TV showings of the Dunkirk trailer on television, but not many. And they won't have needed them. There've been relevant documentaries and some very touching interviews with some of the very elderly survivors instead. The last one I saw was with a lady who'd been at Dunkirk with her parents and her brother, at only 9 years old, having missed the evacuation of the British from Antwerp. They'd had to walk from Antwerp to Dunkirk with the soldiers and she spoke of the horror of all the dead bodies everywhere, of all the dead young boys. Even from the perspective of only 9, they were still boys. And she was talking about how, because it was thought more likely that her family would get a place on a boat, they were overwhelmed with requests to take messages home from all the young soldiers, none of whom thought they would make it. It was very touching. They've all been very touching! I haven't bothered to really read reviews of Nolan's film, though, other than to have noticed that they've been very positive. In fact, the only two I have read were the first two rotten ones that appeared on Rotten Tomatoes. I didn't mind that they weren't as glowing as some others had obviously been, although I'm always a bit irritated when criticism comes from inadequate factual knowledge rather than anything to do with the film. I'll probably look at Jeremy Jahns now, out of curiosity. But I'm completely repelled by what's been said about his having been attacked for daring not to like the film. I won't look at the comments. Was the nastiness entirely from Nolan fans? I did look at the Awardswatch thread a while back but was completely repelled by the opposite there as well, re the shallow spiteful stupidity on show that was all about hating on the film just because it was by Nolan. I really don't understand the flame wars or the necessity to so hate anything, especially to do with something so relatively unimportant, in the greater scheme of things, as a film!
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Post by MagdaFR on Jul 24, 2017 1:40:04 GMT
Here it is again. Marvel is surely going to release it. It makes no sense not to. Anyone (even me) may have it. BC, for what I can see, is in two scenes. In one of them he is making those spiral things and in the other is just there with other people. I can't see much. Another Thor Ragnarok trailer is out and BC is not in it. If he has any presence in TR (Taika Waititi posted a picture with BC) must be just a cameo. streamable.com/a6l52I was surprised by the use of the poppy by BC and that you still remember the people who died in WWI. There must be many people in the UK who were alive in 1940 so it must be a very emotional thing to revive those moments. Maybe part of the problem with Nolan's fans is that many of them are DC fans because of the Dark Knight Trilogy. On Imdb the comocbook fans were pretty annoying.
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Post by sgev1977 on Jul 24, 2017 1:53:33 GMT
I'm sure the aggressiveness comes from fanboys from his Batman days. The first time I read about people sending death threats to critics for writing negative reviews were with his third Batman movie. It's the fandom mentality but it's best to ignore it. It's very silly to hate a director or an actor just because a few of his/her fans are very vocal crazies. I mean BC is/was there!
About WW2, I actually knew a girl whose grandfather fought in the war. Yes, México was an Allies State although probably it's not a too much known fact out of the country! But of course, it's be much more impactful for the countries that directly suffered the war. In our case one or two decades ago there were still people alive who suffered the violence of Mexican Revolution. My grandmother died 6 years ago and she used to talk about how awful it was. She was a little girl then. An Argentinian teacher had the heory that Mexicans were very apathetic to protesting (before the 90s) compared to South Americans because there were a collective memory about how awful things could get.
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