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Post by roverpup on Oct 13, 2017 18:07:27 GMT
I see your point Ellie.
I hope you are correct in your assessment.
I have seen a number of remarks that seem to indicate that there is an element out there that isn’t willing to give anyone who even worked with HW a chance. Even a forthright and genuine statement like BC’s is taken as being insincere and complicit in this situation. But if someone says nothing it is also a sign of complicity. It is shaping up to be a “damned if you do, damned if you don’t” kind of things so. In that case withdrawal doesn’t do a lot to ease the tension or mitigate any damage. Just look how everyone is into parsing every word of every statement, giving a “thumbs up/thumbs down” as to whether it is satisfactory or not and meets the threshold of acceptability of culpability associated with this. That’s the Robespierre aspect that really doesn’t sit well with me.
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Post by ellie on Oct 13, 2017 18:21:06 GMT
Well that's kind of my point Roverpup. Statements are already being analysed for any possible negative angles. Think how much more opportunity for press mischief there would be if they got to interview the cast as part of TCW promotion.
Yes there's some comments out there and attempts to implicate anybody associated with Weinstein. But that will fade. The media know that if they go down that road then they will have to say pretty much every person who has ever worked with Weinstein in any capacity is implicated and, aside from the fact that includes some of their own, it's just not a sustainable argument.
The temptation when in the midst of a crisis is to jump in and do or say something to "defend" yourself and disassociate yourself from guilt. Often that is entirely the wrong thing to do. Keeping a cool head and choosing your time well is the most successful approach. As a very wise old boss of mine used to say, "don't just stand there, do nothing!". BC has made a comprehrnsive statement. No need for further engagement with a media just looking for headlines at this point.
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Post by coolclearwaters on Oct 13, 2017 19:50:14 GMT
I think the important thing is for the industries involved, and that includes the press, to try to make changes that will help protect people, as much as possible, from having to endure the kind of abuse that has been described. This scandal blew up because some people’s horrific acts went unchecked for decades. The story about the reporter being thrown down the stairs and beaten in full view of other members of the press, who then didn’t even report it, is chilling. Strong policies on ethics and conflict of interest need to be adopted and enforced. New York State is already looking at changing the laws on non-disclosure agreements. People in the entertainment industry who were responsible need to be held accountable and know that such behavior will not be tolerated in the future. Whether or not a specific project sees the light of day or falls by the wayside as a result of this scandal just isn’t as important to me as the lives that have been stunted or destroyed.
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Post by queenzod on Oct 13, 2017 20:18:45 GMT
Good point about priorities, CCW. It would be fine but dissappointing if the film gets shelved entirely, considering the damage that has been done and the possibility for healing. I do wish the press would try to broaden the discussion a little bit, since this type of thing goes on in every profession. Abuse of power certainly isn’t limited to Hollywood. But it’s still early days.
I also feel horrible for those women who were used to make the targets feel like everything was okay. They must be experiencing tons of guilt right now, but they were put in untenable situations. What do you do when your boss asks you to do something illegal at worst and morally sketchy at best?
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Post by coolclearwaters on Oct 13, 2017 20:23:05 GMT
I posted the following in another thread:
One thing worries me a little bit. More and more people making statements are saying, with sympathy and outrage, things like “it happens everywhere, not just in our industry”. That isn’t true. While sexual harassment and assault can and does happen in other lines of work, I think the movie/tv business sounds unusually bad - and I doubt HW is the only one behaving this way. While I’ve known of some extreme cases of abuse, I’ve never known anyone who experienced it as an almost universal part of the hiring process, or felt that they would be completely blackballed from ever working again if they complained. It probably happens in some industries, but it is far from universal. Of course, no one should harassed like this, but emphasizing the universal nature of the problem can also lead to not doing anything about it. It can deteriorate into a more politically acceptable way of saying “Boys will be boys”.
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Post by ellie on Oct 13, 2017 21:21:44 GMT
Whether or not a specific project sees the light of day or falls by the wayside as a result of this scandal just isn’t as important to me as the lives that have been stunted or destroyed. I don’t think anybody disagrees with you on that ccw. However this thread is about the effect the HW revelations might have on TCW release, which is why that’s the particular topic under discussion. I think everyone has made it very clear in the thread dedicated to the HW abuse reports that they are very well aware of and in agreement with where the priorities lie in this issue.
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Post by sgev1977 on Oct 13, 2017 21:22:16 GMT
We are living a very extremist times so it's difficult to have everybody happy. Social media is a minefield and even doing everything right you still would find someone angry about it. Angelina Jolie warned others and kept her distance and still she is evil because she didn't went public. Even the victims are blamed for him!
The Playlist posted a very tone-deaf article (apparently they are very happy because Bob will realese Paddington 2 soon) accusing Bob Weisntein of published a tone-deaf statement in which he says they will not sell the company and mentions their schedule in which apparently TCW is not included.
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Post by coolclearwaters on Oct 13, 2017 21:30:27 GMT
I know, but I was talking about the possible delay of TCW and how that just isn’t that important to me given the circumstances.
I also have no sympathy for Bob Weinstein and others in his company who, at best, enabled this behavior for decades. In fact, I hope they do lose their company. If they have to face deep anger, contempt, and hard questions, they have brought it on themselves.
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Post by ellie on Oct 13, 2017 21:35:23 GMT
I would like to think the HW situation will be a watershed moment in addressing this sort of behavior. But I honestly don’t think it will. There will be the predictable media frenzy until they get bored and move on to something else, there will be lots of statements hailing the women who spoke out as “heroes”, Harvey may or may not be sued. Then it will all fade into the ether until the next scandal.
I also predict HW will return, having done his time in purdah, write a book about how he turned his life around (maybe even make a movie out of it) and be embraced by Hollywood again.
Sorry to be so cynical but the media or the movie industry don’t really give a stuff. The media thrives on scandal so the more salacious stories the better for their bottom line. Likewise the Industry cares most about money and if dreadful men deliver the big bucks then so long as their private lives don’t become public and affect the profits nobody is going to derail the gravy train.
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Post by ellie on Oct 13, 2017 21:38:13 GMT
I know, but I was talking about the possible delay of TCW and how that just isn’t that important to me given the circumstances. I also have no sympathy for Bob Weinstein and others in his company who, at best, enabled this behavior for decades. In fact, I hope they do lose their company. If they have to face deep anger, contempt, and hard questions, they have brought it on themselves. It isn’t especially important to me either, I was just giving my tuppence worth on the delay of the release date. Posting in this thread doesn’t mean you are less concerned about the bigger picture.
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