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Post by sgev1977 on Jan 22, 2018 1:34:56 GMT
I am posting this here because I think this is too much!
Why should her to answer for another person behavior? They did the same with Greta Gerwig/Woody Allen during the Golden Globes and it was awful! |
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Post by ellie on Jan 22, 2018 12:46:20 GMT
Exactly. Must say I wonder if, behind all the outrage and interviews and black dresses anything is actually being done to address the problem. Maybe I’ve missed some news because I haven’t been following this much lately but I’m not aware of any major, legally binding, new rules and procedures being planned or put in place to tackle the treatment of women in the Industry.
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Post by sgev1977 on Jan 23, 2018 0:55:28 GMT
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Post by sgev1977 on Feb 4, 2018 18:13:16 GMT
I just saw these tweets by Jessica Chastein about Tarantino and Thurman and it seems to me she is asking for censure?!!! The last tweet is right. He crossed a line and the car accident could easily merit a lawsuit by Thurman. Also he clearly is an idiot and a coward BUT the second tweet is dumb. Is she against stories about abused women? If just certain stories who would decide which ones? |
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Post by onebluestocking on Feb 5, 2018 2:24:37 GMT
It sounds like she is complaining that so often, women are abused in movies to come back as "stronger" for revenge. Whereas male characters are strong from the start. Nobody has to beat or rape Batman, Rambo, Indiana Jones or whatever other male icon for him to get "tough."
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Post by queenzod on Feb 5, 2018 2:28:33 GMT
This points up another issue I have with making all these tough women scenarios. I’d much rather see the heroine win by using her female power, her brains or her womb or something, instead of making her like a man who uses her fists to win.
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Post by sgev1977 on Feb 5, 2018 2:54:17 GMT
No one raped Rambo but he kind of suffered abuse (actually the first movie is slightly based in Rogue Male, the book BC bought the movie’s rights), the same with John McTiernan. Both are hunted down by their enemies. And Batman suffered the traumatic experience of see his parents being murdered so just Indiana Jones born a though and powerful! And Wonder Woman!
I understand what she maybe wanted to say with Tarantino. He is and always has been interested in exploitation movies and all his filmography is a homage to the genre. I actually said last week to someone who is a Tarantino fan that the main reason I haven’t watched The Hateful Eight is because I don’t want to see men hitting Jennifer Jason Leigh for two hours but ok, we decide to ban or boycott exploitation movies and modern acclaimed director who film homages but it would stop there? What about artistic movies in which rape scenes has been criticized for being intentionally funny or “romantic” like the ones in Pedro Almodóvar film? They aren’t horrific just disturbing if you think a little about them! What if the director decide to film a scene in a horrible way because she or he wants to show how horrible abuse is? What if it’s a real life story? Are all rape scenes bad or just those in Tarantino movies? Should actresses never play a rape survivor or just when it’s not show explicitly? Heroes can’t never been victims? Or Victims can’t never been strong or heroic?
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Post by sgev1977 on Feb 5, 2018 3:08:15 GMT
This points up another issue I have with making all these tough women scenarios. I’d much rather see the heroine win by using her female power, her brains or her womb or something, instead of making her like a man who uses her fists to win. I think the thing with Tarantino is that even with his fetishs and his taste for cartoonish but ugly violence, his movies kind of have feminist heroines. Yes, The Bride and the stunt women in Deth Proof go from victims to tough and use fits to win (also on the other hand he absolutely hates weak women) but they are all against men who represent some kind of patriarchy and the worst of maleness. Still, his best heroine is still Jackie Brown who as you said use her brain to win against the bad but also the allegedly good guys. She is kind of abused but not with physical violence by men but by the system itself so she “revenge” against it. |
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Post by onebluestocking on Feb 5, 2018 11:57:23 GMT
I don't see enough action movies to think of examples, so mine might not be ideal. My point is that male hero characters, more often, either are strong from the start or if they're motivated by revenge, it's because of something bad happening to someone else (like Batman's parents.) Often a female relative.
I agree, I'm not really a fan. I don't see equality as being just an imitation of male characters. I'd like to see a woman win a fight because she is agile while the giant, muscle-y man is slow and lumbering, or because she outsmarts him in some way, not just because she punches him and he falls down in spite of being twice her size.
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Post by mllemass on Feb 5, 2018 12:36:13 GMT
This sort of thing doesn't only happen in action movies, and it's always bothered me. Any time they make a movie that focusses on strong female characters, it usually ends up being women acting like men. All those Melissa McCarthy-type comedies are mostly juvenile toilet humour that a lot of men seem to enjoy. I remember my female co-workers being so happy that their husbands were willing to go with them to see those movies. And that was probably the point - they make movies for men but pretend to sell them as "chick flicks" or "strong female leads" movies. Movies are considered a success if men are willing to pay to see them.
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