|
Post by onebluestocking on Feb 5, 2018 12:38:33 GMT
It seems silly, because there are more of us! But maybe we go to movies less often than men do? Or we're more likely to defer to our dates' choice of movie, than he is to ours.
I suppose what I'd really like is more female filmmakers, period. Not just men trying to write female characters and movies, which end up like copies of male characters and movies.
|
|
|
Post by sgev1977 on Feb 5, 2018 13:07:31 GMT
Probably it would be better to advocate for better representation of women on film instead of asking for censoring certain kind of films as Chastein seems to be doing. It never works and it’s actually illegal in the USA! Meanwhile in the UK, liberal The Guardian is behaving like Mary Whitehouse: www.theguardian.com/books/2018/jan/26/staunch-prize-launched-for-thrillers-that-avoid-sexual-violence-against-womenwww.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/feb/02/nymphs-manchester-art-gallery-perspective-censorshipI can’t wait for banning movies with violence against women is not censoring is just progress. (TBF, I saw this other opinion piece when I searched for the article: www.theguardian.com/books/2018/jan/31/staunch-prize-thrillers-no-violence-against-women-sophie-hannah) Abuse and harassment should be punished but there is a lot of moralism out there specifically in Anglo Saxon cultures! It seems some people think that if we ignore the representations in fiction of abuse it will magically disappear in real life. That’s so silly! (Imagine if someone were angry at books describing child abuse as the one described in the Patrick Melrose books! There is a lot of scenes but the rape scene in particular is very explicit and yes, disturbing! If you read the Amazon reviews you would see how a lot of people were put off by it. I also imagine it was cathartic for the writer! In this times of trigger warnings people think they help victims hiding anything uncomfortable when basic psychology says the opposite. Ironically the book was allegedly set aside in book awards ceremonies for another reason: it’s about posh people and just minorities and working class writers deserve to be awarded!)
|
|
|
Post by onebluestocking on Feb 5, 2018 13:19:08 GMT
I didn't see her mention censorship, only that there is a problem. So recognizing that may cause writers to reach for the "woman brutalized as character development for man" storyline less often. I see it as a bit like the "black character dies first" cliche: www.facebook.com/thedailyshow/videos/10156242346286800/Which doesn't mean that black characters can never die in movies. Only that writers should be more aware of a POC coincidentally, more often than not, being the most disposable member of a diverse cast. Seeing female or POC characters as more integral to the main story, or even as the main characters themselves and less as plot devices, is an example of seeking better representation on film.
|
|
|
Post by onebluestocking on Feb 5, 2018 13:27:21 GMT
Regarding the book prize, she isn't saying that all books including violence against women should be banned. Only as with the movies, that it is a cliche relied upon too often, so she will personally pay $2,000 for the best book without it.
Patrick Melrose doesn't really compare: child abuse is not nearly as prevalent in books/movies. Probably because as you noted, people are outraged or upset by it, so sales are affected. Wheres everyone is used to women being beaten, raped or killed. Again the point isn't censoring everything unpleasant, it's seeking to tell other stories for a change.
|
|
|
Post by sgev1977 on Feb 5, 2018 13:51:07 GMT
She was talking specifically about Tarantino’s The Bride and mixing the character with the real life abuse because well, it seems Tarantino did abuseivd things supposedly preparing her actress for role which it’s completely wrong. But the character was interpreted at the time as a strong female and yes, she is abused, she lost or thinks she lost her baby girl (saving the girl trope or revenge the girl, an actually male trope) as a consequence of that attack (just one attack, remember at the beginning of the films she is a killer trying to achieve a normal life so in some ways she is a male cliche strong character before being abused). The violence in it is lurid but at the same time cartoonish. There is a lot of much more realistic and more painful to watch scenes in other movies and my question is if she is also offended by them? Is she against victims of violence as heroins? I know there are cliches and tropes, something that Tarantino strong female characters weren’t, by the way (he is an idiot in real life but not so conventional in his stories) but a) they aren’t so common like they were years before and b) the alternative of the all powerful and invincible is not actually interesting (or realistic) except when they are villains or antiheros and ironically returning to Tarantino, that’s what The Bride was but in a monstruos way like Truffaut’s own The Bride (she kills because they killed her groom) in The Bride Wore Black (or in a male version but without a so clear cause Javier Bardem in No Country For Old Man and other bad guys in Coen’s Brothers movies), a vengeful figure who savagely kills anyone who did her wrong. In some way the victims are the villains here UNTIL she discovers her girl is alive and then she is suddenly humanized and change of purpose: now just want to save her and be with her! I still thinking that tweet was dumb, even when bad cliches exists. I wouldn’t like it that people like her decide which are good or bad female representations and considering the general mood of censure and hysteria I doubt she was talking just about wanting open discussion about the theme. Im not sure about awarding books by what they DON’T do. It actually sounds to promote (auto) censure to me.
|
|
|
Post by sgev1977 on Feb 5, 2018 14:41:07 GMT
I was also thinking in CAA. In her crazy paranoid speech, Rose McGowan is attacking it. She said something about it sponsoring the Time’s Up movement and it’s behind a few of Twitter actresses “activists” including Alyssa Milano. That sounds like a mad conspiracy but CAA was indeed pointed as the main Weinstein enable by The New York Times and it’s also accused by Uma Thurman in the new article. If I understood well, they knew but didn’t help her or maybe even protected Tarantino and the Weinstein in her planned lawsuit against them.
I’m not saying Jessica Chastein is working for them. That’s crazy (although just for curiosity I checked her right now and yes, IT’S HER AGENCY!!!!) but maybe it would be better if they talked more about CAA role than attacking movies. I found more worrying that agencies and guilds didn’t protected actresses and that it seems CAA even had an active role in the abuses.
|
|
|
Post by onebluestocking on Feb 5, 2018 15:16:15 GMT
It could be we are reading it differently, but to me "how many images in media" means she is talking about film in general as a theme, not only that one movie in particular. Though the catalyst for her tweet is Uma's comments about Tarantino, so she mentions him:
According to Wikipedia they have "a near monopoly of A-list actors, writers, and directors" so it's a lot of peoples' agency, I wouldn't assume anything based on that. I agree that they were complicit in the HW abuses; several actresses mentioned that CAA sent them to Harvey in spite of knowing about him. One article said that to CAA, actresses are a dime a dozen, 100 new faces a year, while Harvey is there hiring their talent and making movies for decades. There definitely needs to be some changes and better protection for their clients put in place. If they are sponsoring the Time's Up movement, it's just to make themselves look better in an attempt to deflect from acting as HW's pimp for years (it's kind of like Donald Trump claiming "no one is less racist than me.")
The article you linked has a very good point,
...but to be fair, when we discuss abuse of women in books and films, we are very rarely talking about something to the level of 'To Kill a Mockingbird', or something intended to challenge prejudice (or sexism.) More often it's an issue of exploitation, or lazy plot writing.
|
|
|
Post by onebluestocking on Feb 5, 2018 15:40:13 GMT
This subject reminds me of Bryan Fuller, the 'Hannibal' showrunner. He said he will not include sexual violence against women in his shows. Fans laughed about it online, because he apparently will show victims of either sex dismembered, skinned alive, baked and eaten, or just about anything else but draws the line at rape! LOL He did have a challenge adapting the Mason Verger storyline, as the character in the books raped and tortured his sister. In the end he filmed the rape scene very discreetly, and increased the sister Margot's role as a character, including having her be the one who eventually kills Verger. The abused women back for revenge, again! But Fuller's version includes many more powerful female figures than the original books or movies, in addition to Clarice Starling. One of the all-time great strong female roles IMO; she is a believable and human hero, shows fear when any sane person would, and in her role due to intelligence and a natural instinct for the work, not because she is inexplicably stronger than men twice her size.
|
|
|
Post by sgev1977 on Feb 5, 2018 15:41:13 GMT
|
|
|
Post by sgev1977 on Feb 5, 2018 15:48:46 GMT
Well, To Kill a Mockingbird has been accused for racism because the n-word and I can see Tumblr activists being angry at the “white savior” trope. And that’s my point, it always begins with something most people agree it’s nasty but it ends with classic works!
|
|