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Post by onebluestocking on Feb 5, 2018 16:03:46 GMT
Oh, I see what you are saying. Well, there is more than one issue that needs addressing: treatment of fictional women in movies/books, and treatment of women in real life. Improving one doesn't mean you can't work on, or don't care about, the other too. Again I don't think anyone is saying that no rape/abuse/violence against women story can be told, just that it shouldn't be the kneejerk solution every time you need to motivate a male hero or titillate an audience. It would be great if everyone who doesn't agree with CAA's complicity would split with them, leaving a total of two or three clients!  Not just the women, because I disagree that sexual abuse by men is the responsibility of women to fix, risking their own careers in the process. So many people are accusing Oprah, or Meryl, or any other famous female for not stopping what was going on. I've also seen many people commenting online that the actresses should have just given up acting if they didn't like harassment. It's never "why don't the men stop raping" it's "why didn't the women get out" or "why don't other women stop it from happening." JC probably hasn't changed agencies because they are the best, just like other women continued to work with HW because he was the top guy making independent movies. Nobody would notice or care if one woman left her agency, stopped working with HW, or gave up acting. That's the kind of thing that is only affected by large numbers of support, and it's all out in the open now, nobody can claim they don't know what was going on (regardless of gender.) |
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Post by onebluestocking on Feb 5, 2018 16:13:54 GMT
Context is an attribute in short supply on Tumblr.  But you make a good point, everything is entangled with something else as you follow it along. Complaints about racist use of the n-word lead to complaints about non-racist (in context) use. Complaints about complicit Hollywood types lead to complaints about everyone who ever made a movie with anyone objectionable. Does that mean nobody should ever begin the conversation at all, nobody can "throw the first stone because all have sinned"? IMO it's good to begin the conversation, even knowing that it will inevitably blow out of proportion further along. Some few truths will remain (racism is bad, sexual abuse is bad) that wouldn't happen if the issues are never addressed. It sounds overly simple, but there was a time that supremacy of white males was assumed, and that wouldn't change by itself if nobody talked about it! Good conversation, by the way, thanks Sgev! I've got other stuff to do but keep returning here. |
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Post by sgev1977 on Feb 5, 2018 16:23:26 GMT
Well, Ronan Farrow did it. In the case of Chastein, I can’t see how she is not worried about it because she is worried about the theme and more interesting she is worried about violence in movies! She isn’t above of my very personal and surely insignificant criticism just for being a woman, sorry!
McGowan is wrong in attacking everyone but it seems she softened her tone against Meryl Streep. She said she thanked her for her nice words and she kind of admitted that maybe she didn’t know about the sexual abuse but she surely should had know about the bullying and that she was angry at her because she said a known bully was God.
Anyway poor McGowan she needs help and being out there doesn’t helps her. She will continue to say exaggerated or even fake things but I don’t doubt there are some truth in what she is saying, too.
Thanks to you, onebluestocking! Good day!
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Post by onebluestocking on Feb 5, 2018 16:45:49 GMT
I don't see that Chastain staying with CAA (at least as far as we know at this point) means she isn't worried about real-life abuse of women. Just like I don't think that women who continued to work with HW weren't worried about him. Maybe JC will start her own agency someday. But again it is everyone's protest to make, not just the females, or one female in particular. I hope a lot of people band together to affect change. It's harder when there isn't one bad guy (like HW) to pinpoint.
You too Sgev!
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Post by mllemass on Feb 5, 2018 17:19:54 GMT
I can only go by what I see my married friends do. They will go along to any idiotic movie their husbands want to see. But they call me when they want to go to a movie their husbands refuse to see.
After Mary Tyler Moore died, they showed a documentary about her on tv. One thing that surprised me was that her show was the first to have female writers on staff. Imagine that - a show about a woman being written by women! It was so unusual that they didn't even have a womens' washroom on the writers' floor. Hearing about that reminded me of the ordeal those amazing women endured in the movie Hidden Figures.
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Post by ellie on Feb 5, 2018 18:14:34 GMT
Ok this may be a controversial view but I think everyone (I mean everyone in general not posters here) needs to take a deep breath, gather their thoughts and apply a bit of perspective and logic.
Every time there’s a controversy of any kind then social media seems to go from 0 to hysterical in seconds. Just because there are some men in Hollywood who’ve treated women badly doesn’t mean everyone has or is or will or that there have never been any movies about strong women. Perhaps women’s path to strength in movie screenplays has been different to mens. But doesn’t that mirror real life? Throughout most of history women’s fights have been different to mens. Women have had to first fight for access to the same rights as men in everything from voting eligibility to education and career opportunities. That has been reflected in a lot of films. Only then could they start building a level playing field. That field is still tilted but it is moving in the right direction. And I don’t think flinging everything to do with women in movies into the Weinstein pigeon hole is either accurate or helpful.
Because honestly the way things are panning out it will soon be impossible to make any movie at all for fear of causing some sort of social media outrage or other.
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Post by igs on Feb 5, 2018 18:52:53 GMT
When it comes to Tarantino, for what it's worth, he's one of few (the only?) mainstream directors who also include male-on-male rape in his films. The rape scene in Pulp Fiction is very famous, the one where Wallace gets raped and afterwards shoots his rapist in the genitals and in Hateful Eight one character tells another that he raped his son (the other character's, not his own!) at gunpoint once and then shot him afterwards because the son was the worst kind of racist . He does seem a tad obsessed with portraying sexual violence - any and all violence, really - in his movies. The sexual violence does feel more brutal though, because otherwise his films are often almost cartoon-ish in their explicity. |
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Post by sgev1977 on Feb 5, 2018 20:45:47 GMT
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Post by onebluestocking on Feb 5, 2018 22:02:39 GMT
Coverup of the harassment? Or the car crash?
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Post by sgev1977 on Feb 5, 2018 22:19:04 GMT
Car crash! She seems to be more angry about it. Probably because it left her with permanent wounds. I understand she wanted to sue them but apparently they destroyed the evidence and just until now Tarantino gave her the video (he actually knew what it was coming).
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Not just the women, because I disagree that sexual abuse by men is the responsibility of women to fix, risking their own careers in the process. So many people are accusing Oprah, or Meryl, or any other famous female for not stopping what was going on. I've also seen many people commenting online that the actresses should have just given up acting if they didn't like harassment. It's never "why don't the men stop raping" it's "why didn't the women get out" or "why don't other women stop it from happening." JC probably hasn't changed agencies because they are the best, just like other women continued to work with HW because he was the top guy making independent movies. Nobody would notice or care if one woman left her agency, stopped working with HW, or gave up acting. That's the kind of thing that is only affected by large numbers of support, and it's all out in the open now, nobody can claim they don't know what was going on (regardless of gender.)
