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Post by MagdaFR on Feb 20, 2017 15:43:01 GMT
I still have to watch it again but, I saw this tweet and is funny. I guess the picture is from Terrence Malick's next film, Song to Song.
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Post by Jillian on Feb 20, 2017 15:46:55 GMT
Haha, brilliant picture and with that quote. Yes, so far I´ve only seen it once as well. It was good, but I had very high expectations and I always want [certain] endings, so I wasn´t thrilled with its end, but it was intriguing nevertheless.
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Post by igs on Feb 20, 2017 15:59:30 GMT
so I wasn´t thrilled with its end, but it was intriguing nevertheless Oh I loved the ending! Haha at the picture.
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Post by MagdaFR on Feb 20, 2017 16:21:27 GMT
It was good, but I had very high expectations. My situation exactly. Also Emma Stone's character was not well developed. We know almost nothing about her background but she obviously lived in a good house in her home town, the flat she shared was good, she could ask her mother money to pay for a theater. She worked as a waitress to pay (part?) of her bills, but I wouldn't say she was struggling in terms of money. Also I found rather deceptive the choices she states: or I'm an actress or I'll go to Law School. Why didn't she go to a Drama course instead? It is not the image of the struggling artist I'm used to. I'd say she was rather privileged and she could have done better.
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Post by igs on Feb 20, 2017 16:58:17 GMT
It is not the image of the struggling artist I'm used to. I'd say she was rather privileged and she could have done better. I got the idea that this was the point. Chazelle was barely 30 when the film was made, so I thought he wanted to do a film of "his" kind of people. Middle/upper middle class millennials who romanticize the idea of being a struggling artist. Emma Stone's character was a bit more well-adjusted in my opinion, but Ryan Gosling (who was too old for the role and miscast, I thought the part was probably written specifically for Miles Teller who was cast first and then dropped out) was the archetype of a pretentious hipster who firmly opposed the modernization of something (jazz) that he was too young to even have experienced in the ways of his idols. He thought being uncompromising on his own ideas was more important than things like money or jobs, hence the struggling. This is why I liked the film so much, it was a very apt modern take on the age old trope. It's being a "starving artist" for the kind of people who'd choose to find their food in a Brooklyn trashbin rather than need to do so in order to survive. I'm not trying to be judgmental by the way, downshifting is very fine and sometimes it's good to not compromise on one's own ideals. But it's a different mindset than these characters would have had if the movie was set in the 1920s.
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Post by Jillian on Feb 20, 2017 17:19:34 GMT
Oh, why did you think that Gosling was miscast? Because of his age or otherwise as well? I wonder why Teller dropped out? Why did you like the ending? Is there any spoiler tags to be used around here, btw?
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Post by Jillian on Feb 20, 2017 17:51:29 GMT
It was good, but I had very high expectations. My situation exactly. Also Emma Stone's character was not well developed. We know almost nothing about her background but she obviously lived in a good house in her home town, the flat she shared was good, she could ask her mother money to pay for a theater. She worked as a waitress to pay (part?) of her bills, but I wouldn't say she was struggling in terms of money. Also I found rather deceptive the choices she states: or I'm an actress or I'll go to Law School. Why didn't she go to a Drama course instead? It is not the image of the struggling artist I'm used to. I'd say she was rather privileged and she could have done better. Yes, she seemed to be privileged and to some extent I understand what you mean by saying that her character was not well developed. Although sometimes dreams can shatter and pass you by even though one is privileged. Maybe she did take a drama course but maybe it did not work out for her. Even though the house seemed to be a good one, I saw it as it was not enough because she did not want to stay there if she wanted to make it big and get by on her own terms. You are right, she was probably struggling more in every other aspect.
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Post by igs on Feb 20, 2017 17:57:03 GMT
Oh, why did you think that Gosling was miscast? Because of his age or otherwise as well? I wonder why Teller dropped out? Why did you like the ending? Is there any spoiler tags to be used around here, btw? I don't really know why I had so many issues with Gosling in LLL, I normally like him. Part of it is definitely that I thought he's too old. He's in his mid-30s, Teller was still in his 20s (I noticed by random that he turned 30 today) when the film was shot, I think that would have been more age-appropriate. I thought Gosling's character was so much more...well, "stereotypical millennial hipster" than Stone's, that I wished they had been closer in age. Also, Whiplash is one of my all-time favorite movies and while I don't really like Teller as a person - he's pretty whiney and humorless, precisely like Seb in La La Land actually - he portrays passions towards music so so so well. The drumming scenes in Whiplash were on another planet in terms of intensity in comparison to Gosling's piano playing in LLL. Let's see if I can get the spoiler tags to work re: the ending. {Click to Show} I liked how real it was. I think in today's world the main unit has gone from being the nuclear family to being an individual, so in keeping with the theme of "starving young artists in the 2010s" I didn't see the film as a love story, rather than a story about two separate people who just happened to engage in a romance. I thought it was great that they were separated, but in a realistic way, in which they both still cared for each other due to the intensity of their fling, but they were not each others' "one true love" or anything like that. It happens.
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Post by MagdaFR on Feb 20, 2017 17:59:22 GMT
Chazelle was barely 30 when the film was made, so I thought he wanted to do a film of "his" kind of people. Middle/upper middle class millennials who romanticize the idea of being a struggling artist. I think he did it because it is what he is: middle/upper class. There is no criticism either for Emma's character nor Gosling's. They both are glamorized. They both have their dreams and achieved them with little sacrifice. Yes, they had to not fulfill their love/relationship but is not as if they couldn't do so and still realize their dreams. By the way I think the end is very likable. They were in love and it is natural that they'd feel nostalgia of something that could have been. The character of Gosling is more a struggling artist, imo, he had to do things he didn't like to survive, I think his views on jazz (which Chazelle don't criticize either) have nothing to do with he struggling or not. His accepting (more or less) to do jobs which he loathed for opening his club where he could play the music he wanted is a thing I understand. Here, if you want to be a musician, or an actor, you have to play on bars, teach music, play on birthdays, parties or have another job not related ] igs[/a][/span] said: This is why I liked the film so much, it was a very apt modern take on the age old trope. It's being a "starving artist" for the kind of people who'd choose to find their food in a Brooklyn trashbin rather than need to do so in order to survive. I'm not trying to be judgmental by the way, downshifting is very fine and sometimes it's good to not compromise on one's own ideals. But it's a different mindset than these characters would have had if the movie was set in the 1920s. I don't understand either the "starving artist" much, to be honest. This film reminded me of the film Hunger
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Post by Jillian on Feb 20, 2017 18:03:18 GMT
I see. I saw Whiplash as well and I liked it. Chazelle was probably so disappointed when Teller dropped out! Yes, the drumming in that particular film was great, but I did enjoy Gosling´s piano playing enormously as well. Yes, the character (Seb) was quite serious as a person, but I did not mind and merely saw him as a dreamer and a romantic and a man who got stuck in a melancholic past instead of focusing on the future. Maybe that was not intentional, but that was sort of how I saw it. I am really impressed by Chazelle, he seems amazing! Yes, thanks, would be great with spoiler tags!
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