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Post by queenzod on Oct 1, 2018 0:39:15 GMT
I take what I can get it of my comedies. The line “I’m a doctor, would you like some heroin?” Was hilarious. Sometimes, imo, you just have to appreciate nonsense and silliness. Mostly what the Pythons were attempting was also to waste a lot of film on idiotic stuff, lo, just to see how much people would put up with.
There’s a use for brilliant silliness in the world. It can be very refreshing.
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Post by mllemass on Oct 1, 2018 1:45:13 GMT
I agree! I guess my idea of brilliant silliness is more like Mr Bean.
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Post by roverpup on Oct 1, 2018 2:20:33 GMT
With "kinder", I was thinking in things like Groundhog Day or James L. Brooks movies. They aren't for children nor innocent but they are far away from consciously offensive material. Maybe I used the wrong word. The Pythons weren't American (except for Terry Gilliam, of course!) but they actually influenced the state of current American comedy. Life of Brian seems harmless nowadays but it was a huge scandal when it was released! It offended a huge number of people. The Meaning of Life was and still is extremely offensive. And the objective of it was clearly to offend people. SNL was the American response to the Pythons and the National Lampoon magazine. Most of today dumb comedians are SNL products. The Simpsons but also South Park and Family Guy were influenced by The Pythons, too. I don’t necessarily associate controversial or even offensive with vulgarity. I agree that something like Life of Brian or Meaning of Life could be considered offensive but that doesn’t make them vulgar in my mind. They were (despite all the ridiculousness in the films) were social commentaries and satirical pieces of work. They weren’t just a collection of scatalogical body function jokes, swear words and drug/drunk references. And you are perfectly correct when you say that “most of today’s dumb comedians are SNL products” which I think is highly ironic if that show was indeed an American response to the Pythons (it would be proof positive that a lot was lost in the translation across the pond). Those types of comedians are light years away from the humour of the Pythons IMO. I have never watched South Park or Family Guy, so I can’t comment on them, but I have watched The Simpsons on occasion and I don’t see how they could be considered vulgar - sometimes controversial, and maybe too perhaps, offensive to some, often silly, but surely not vulgar? I can definitely see a “Python influence” in The Simpsons - it does seem to have that same social commentary, send up, thumbing their nose at authority, that the Pythons had. 🙂
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Post by sgev1977 on Oct 1, 2018 2:39:56 GMT
The Meaning of Life has a scene with an exploding obese man! After vomited during the entire sketch. And the next sketch has an “old lady” cleaning all the vomiting and being bathed in it meanwhile she says the most offensive anti-Semitic things. How wasn’t that scatological? (In)famously Quentin Tarantino said that’s the only scene that have shocked him ever! There are a lot of other scenes with yes, swear words, nakedness and casual racism and sexism (intended and not)! I don’t remember drug references, tho. It was the 70s and 80s so maybe there are!
South Park is even more satirical and with much more social commentaries than The Simpsons. Sometimes in a brilliant way! They are also much more brutal! From pedophiles jokes to extreme scatological humor. It’s also very clear the Monty Python influence. TBH I don’t recommend it to you, I’m sure you would hate it!
I’m not a fan of Family Guy but it was a slightly similar humor without yes, the biting social commentary!
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Post by queenzod on Oct 1, 2018 2:55:15 GMT
I agree! I guess my idea of brilliant silliness is more like Mr Bean. I remember the first time I saw Mr. Bean. Mom and I were vacationing in Ireland, and he came on the telly, doing a very silly skit about trying to change into his bathing trunks at the beach in front of a woman without showing any naughty bits. He started by putting the bathing trunks on over his trousers, and then trying to remove his trousers. I was pretty convinced that it couldn’t be done, and both mom and I were on the floor laughing so hard. He did manage to get the trousers off, and then the woman stood up and walked away with her white cane. Very silly and wonderful!
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Post by roverpup on Oct 1, 2018 10:46:40 GMT
The Meaning of Life has a scene with an exploding obese man! After vomited during the entire sketch. And the next sketch has an “old lady” cleaning all the vomiting and being bathed in it meanwhile she says the most offensive anti-Semitic things. How wasn’t that scatological? (In)famously Quentin Tarantino said that’s the only scene that have shocked him ever! There are a lot of other scenes with yes, swear words, nakedness and casual racism and sexism (intended and not)! I don’t remember drug references, tho. It was the 70s and 80s so maybe there are! South Park is even more satirical and with much more social commentaries than The Simpsons. Sometimes in a brilliant way! They are also much more brutal! From pedophiles jokes to extreme scatological humor. It’s also very clear the Monty Python influence. TBH I don’t recommend it to you, I’m sure you would hate it! I’m not a fan of Family Guy but it was a slightly similar humor without yes, the biting social commentary! I stand corrected. My apologies.
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Post by MagdaFR on Oct 1, 2018 16:59:36 GMT
I recently rewatched The Meaning of Life which I think, with the exception of the Every Sperm is Sacred sketch, is not thaaaat good.
Life of Brian is much better as is The Holy Grail. I'm undecided which of them I like the most.
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Post by sgev1977 on Oct 2, 2018 2:19:48 GMT
It’s pretty irregular indeed but in retrospective I think it was their most influential film. At least for modern comedians: South Park (in SP: Bigger, Longer And Uncut, the angels have also their boobs exposed like in The Meaning of Life!), The Simpsons and a lot of shock comedy in general. Although, of course, there is a backlash right now against shock comedy even Monty Python! Recently there was a polemic because apparently the BBC comedy programmer said he would never hire a bunch of white posh boys like them because, you know, diversity or something!
Every Sperm is Sacred is the best! The Galaxy Song is also fantastic.
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Post by ellie on Oct 2, 2018 20:59:54 GMT
Love love love Monty Python. Hate hate hate Mr Bean.
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Post by sgev1977 on Dec 29, 2018 1:55:51 GMT
Apparently it’s REALLY BAD. It wasn’t just panned by critics but it got a D+ Cinemascore! I’m not sure I have ever hear of a movie getting a D! Maybe some horror film! Horror films are always getting bad scores!
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