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Post by sgev1977 on Sept 29, 2018 19:29:58 GMT
It made me laugh and there’s a reference to BBC’s Sherlock, of course!
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Post by queenzod on Sept 29, 2018 21:10:43 GMT
I laughed, too. I usually detest raunchy humor, but sometimes it tickles in the right spot.
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Post by mllemass on Sept 30, 2018 0:14:19 GMT
It looks awful to me, just like everything else these two have done. I find absolutely nothing funny in this kind of humour. I’m obviously not their target audience!
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Post by roverpup on Sept 30, 2018 11:08:00 GMT
It looks awful to me, just like everything else these two have done. I find absolutely nothing funny in this kind of humour. I’m obviously not their target audience! I concur with your fèelings on this, especially when it comes to Ferrell movies (I did like John C. Reilly in Casualties of War where he played a completely serious role though). I'm obviously not the target audience for this movie either. It's fingernails on a chalkboard to me.
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Post by sgev1977 on Sept 30, 2018 12:55:29 GMT
Will Farrell was wonderful in SNL with his over top innocent/dumb but awful men, including his George W. Bush. Actually BC’s Patrick in Starter For Ten kind of reminds me his kind of characters.
American comedy has always been very silly and vulgar. I have the theory that politically correct ideology has affected the reception of it in recent times. I remember an article in Film Comment which practically declared that ALL modern comedies were bad and that WORST, offensive! I thought it was a mad conclusion! I think progressive/female comedians are the only ones respected by the mainstream elites (general public is another thing!) but only for a brief time. At the end they are always cast as villains: Lena Dunham, Aziz Ansari, Amy Schumer, etc. They are hated by woke people even with more scorn than popular male comedians!
Well, with that idea in my mind I tried to watch the new Adam Sandler/Chris Rock thing in Netflix: it wasn’t funny!!! But at least I tried! (By The way I loved Sandler in The Meyerowitz Stories, also in Netflix)
John C Reilly is a great dramatic actor but I understand his dream is to be a silly comedian. I kind of remember him saying it in an old interview!
The “female doctor” and “heroin” bit was hysterical!
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Post by mllemass on Sept 30, 2018 14:36:52 GMT
I liked Will Farrell on SNL, and he can be funny in interviews. But his movies are so bad and really seem to be made for 12-year-old boys.
I once caused an uproar at work when my co-workers were talking about their favourite Will Farrell movies and I gave my opinion. One guy in particular took it as a personal insult that I didn’t find WF funny. He kept bringing it up for months afterwards, anytime movies were being discussed (“Oh, I forgot. You don’t like funny movies so you won’t like this.”) I became known as this the weirdo with no sense of humour.
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Post by roverpup on Sept 30, 2018 15:31:59 GMT
Sgev said:
"American comedy has always been very silly and vulgar. "
Perhaps but I think just certain strands of it are like that.
I personally have always gravitated towards American comedy like Fraiser which wasn't crude at all and mainly revolved around word play and farce.
And in standup I liked Bob Newhart who never was considered vulgar in the least or Steven Wright, who mastered the quirky deadpan deliveries of observations on everyday life.
They are just as much a part of American humour to me as the Will Ferrell's or Adam Sandler's of the world.
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Post by sgev1977 on Sept 30, 2018 16:00:26 GMT
I think vulgar comedy was considered edgy until very recently. Probably the peak moment was the Farrelly’s brothers. Their comedies were actually critically acclaimed at the time. I remember a Film Comment cover with an image of Jim Carrey shooting a cow in Me, Myself and Irene. The same highbrow magazine that recently moaned about offensive comedies published a long essay about how wonderful and revolutionary were those guys! I have that issue and I read that article! (I searched for it!) It’s ok but I agreed that it’s a shame we don’t have more family oriented or more kind comedies anymore. There was a moment when there wasn’t an alternative to “edgy” comedians and ALL comedies become vulgar and offensive so maybe the over-saturation had indeed a role in the recent backlash. Still, it’s those vulgar movies the ones that made money so it doesn’t matter what critics say.
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Post by roverpup on Sept 30, 2018 18:54:31 GMT
I don't necessarily want kinder comedies, I just want something cleverly written, with some level intelligence behind it. It can even be silly in it's own way (like Monty Python's Life of Brian) but still be biting and satirical and edgy.
But as you say, vulgar makes shitloads of $$$ So that's what people must want.
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Post by sgev1977 on Sept 30, 2018 20:48:09 GMT
With "kinder", I was thinking in things like Groundhog Day or James L. Brooks movies. They aren't for children nor innocent but they are far away from consciously offensive material. Maybe I used the wrong word.
The Pythons weren't American (except for Terry Gilliam, of course!) but they actually influenced the state of current American comedy. Life of Brian seems harmless nowadays but it was a huge scandal when it was released! It offended a huge number of people. The Meaning of Life was and still is extremely offensive. And the objective of it was clearly to offend people.
SNL was the American response to the Pythons and the National Lampoon magazine. Most of today dumb comedians are SNL products.
The Simpsons but also South Park and Family Guy were influenced by The Pythons, too.
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