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Post by sgev1977 on Jul 25, 2019 10:21:19 GMT
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Post by sgev1977 on Aug 14, 2019 15:50:32 GMT
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Post by sgev1977 on Aug 18, 2019 11:30:55 GMT
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Post by sgev1977 on Aug 21, 2019 15:48:37 GMT
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Post by sgev1977 on Sept 11, 2019 12:32:45 GMT
Slightly OT, this is a parody account and it's talking about another TV show... But it totally reminds me to certain The Guardian opinion writers reacting to BC Cummings portrait! They are so childish that they really think playing someone "problematic" is some kind of endorsement! Much worst if it's not a cartoonish version of say person! (Although at the same time the movie was accused of presenting Johnson as a cartoon and they still think he totally ignored his own fictional self and decided to hire Cumming based in that he looked as BC in the film or something similar! Such a "brilliant" minds analyzing politics nowadays!)
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Post by ellie on Sept 11, 2019 14:16:52 GMT
That said I do think the Brexit film portrayed Cummings as a much more sympathetic and vulnerable figure than he actually is. Recent weeks have shown without a doubt that the man is without any redeeming qualities whatsoever. In fact he is a borderline Nazi with his “people are poor because they have bad genes” comments and his strategy to shut down Parliament and bully their way to getting what they want. A tactic employed by Hitler in 1933. I don’t have much, if any, time for David Cameron but he was spot on when he described Cummings as “A career psychopath.”
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Post by sgev1977 on Sept 11, 2019 15:12:39 GMT
That's a good point! I'm sure he is a despot but I think the left should be careful to think he is stupid. Something I have seen a lot on Twitter in relation to the film. They are angry because he was humanized (it doesn't seem he regretted the result so much in real life as it was suggested on film although at the same time, he was presented as someone who wanted to see the world to burn and then didn't know what to do after that. That kind of feel true to me but I don't know him!) but also because he was presented as someone smart and capable of winning referendums. It could work against them in a big way... AGAIN! I think he is smarter than some people on Twitter gave credit to him. I feel they want him to be shown as someone more easily to ridicule. The same with Johnson, who seems to find pleasure in being ridiculed. But I remember a Spanish newspaper described him as Trump but with brains a few years ago. That's why I think they are dangerous! They are smart despots!
Something really worrying is how it's them the ones who are sure they can win another election! Even whith their awful doings! That seems to me as a huge issue! Why isn't Labour working on that?
Most valuable that how Cumming was presented, I think, it's how they showed the two sides of the coin. That's why people in others parts of the world feel identified with it. It is happening everywhere! Despots and quacks are being elected because people are tired of the establishment. Yes, there were some BIG irregularities but that's not all the story. People are being manipulated by things like micro-targetting because they want to be "manipulated". It's perplexing to me that UK activists are claiming the election was just a big fraud and barely can accept people mentioning other issues but then celebrating the Conservatives can't have a new election because then they can have the parliament!
I haven't watched the Netflix documentary but it's interesting how a few Latin American critics thought it was inferior to Brexit, the HBO movie because it didn't show people angry at the system. It apparently it's just about the "bad guys" using technology to fool people to vote for them... in the same way Obama and left-wing politicians did, by the way, but no one mentions them!
I don't know. The problem is far from being resolved everywhere but I feel the UK liberals think they are an exception to the (international) trending and that's impossible Brexit really won meanwhile at the same time they know Johnson must not have the elections he wants because maybe he can win it!
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Post by ellie on Sept 11, 2019 15:41:10 GMT
No. That’s not the Liberal view at all. The reason the opposition parties have blocked Johnson’s call for a general election now is they don’t want him to wriggle out of having to seek an extension to the 31 Oct deadline. They are happy to go to the polls in November.
Also a (very slim) majority voted for Brexit. But they were bot asked if they agreed to a “no deal Brexit” so Cummings and Johnson’s rhetoric about giving the voters what they want is just more lies piled upon the lies Cummings already spun in the Leave Campaign
If Democracy is to survive in Britain Cummings and Johnson and the European Reform Grouo must be opposed and defeated. This is the most serious crisis faced by British politics since WWII.
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Post by sgev1977 on Sept 11, 2019 15:59:49 GMT
I hope so! A few analysts think he can actually win it now which it's crazy! www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/sep/10/boris-johnson-still-ahead-in-the-polls-but-by-how-muchHe shouldn't have any possibility after what it's happening but according to The Guardian, there is a possibility of a "landslide"! I also fear he can use the negative of the opposition to have an election as a point in his favour in a future election. I'm not saying there should be an election, of course! But that they are smart enough to use the negative to their favour. EDITED: Of course, this is the way I see things from outside. Maybe I'm horribly wrong! Probably my perception is influenced by what I see locally! Here happened something similar but at least voters seems to understand now how wrong they were! Why is someone thinking to vote for Johnson and his croonies again?
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Post by ellie on Sept 11, 2019 16:16:49 GMT
I would not count against Boris winning. A sizeable portion of the British population seems to have swallowed the lies they’re being fed by the far right despite the mountain of evidence which shows they’re just being used to make a small number of very rich men richer. Same as what happened with Trump. The world is going to sh*t one nation at a time.
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