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Post by sgev1977 on Dec 14, 2018 18:05:22 GMT
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Post by onebluestocking on Dec 14, 2018 18:30:11 GMT
It looks good! Reminds me a bit of TFE (which I liked.)
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Post by mllemass on Dec 14, 2018 18:53:53 GMT
So I guess HBO will be showing it!
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Post by sgev1977 on Dec 14, 2018 18:54:35 GMT
I hope it's better received! 😉
TFE was hidden until the last minute and beyond (the press screaming at TIFF was actually cancelled at literally last minute!). This one seems it was already shown to a few journalists and it was pick up by HBO. I hope it means they think it's good!
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Post by roverpup on Dec 14, 2018 19:50:02 GMT
So I guess HBO will be showing it! I wonder if Crave will be showing it? They do show some HBO content.
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Post by sgev1977 on Dec 15, 2018 3:24:52 GMT
I think HBO just put it on another level. I doubt it will be a huge hit (it’s not the new Game of Thrones, of course!). The trailer has just 28k views right now but undoubtedly it had a bigger impact on social media and the press than the Channel 4 trailer. I didn’t see it but apparently BC was trending somewhere for a brief period of time. I read a few comments about it.
Anyway, what a difference with Parade’s End! That series was actually financed by HBO but they didn’t seem to really care for it! They just stored it for months after it was transmitted in the UK. People asked them about it and just silence!
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Post by sgev1977 on Dec 15, 2018 13:36:09 GMT
Wow! I see this exploded! I know UK is very anti-free speech nowadays but why journalists are advocating for censoring artists? That’s insane and dumb!
I admire how movies as All President’s Men were a huge success even when they were done and released during the investigation/trial of a political crime. Yes, people didn’t feel bored then by political movies but somehow they were worst than today’s audiences. Also what can you say when people are angry at others for not waiting to see what happens and say that’s the reason they would never watch it? Based in that logic they shouldn’t give an opinion without watching the movie! Why to have an opinion about something you don’t know?
Again if an awarded journalist has actual proof that the Russian government is behind this movie and behind a very prestigious British producer with a long career in the Industry then she should write about it. It’s a very grave accusation and I would want to know the truth but doing a quick google search and posting just screen caps about a dubious Russian guy (know for his financing of all kind of entertaining productions) is named as one of the multiples financiers of one of the few companies behind this (not the movie itself) as the possible responsable behind the entire project but I don’t know maybe not he maybe would sue me is not very different to Trump followers accusing The New York Times of being controlled by the Mexican government because Carlos Slim was a shareholder. I’m not saying she is lying but something beyond info I can google and see would be much more credible than an a suggestive random tweet! It actually sound kind of unprofessional to me.
Also there are a lot of portraits of Donald Trump everywhere. Positive and mostly negative! Why other country should not talk about UK politics? They really think HBO would feel offended if some big company in the UK do a movie about Donald Trump?
I really found those comments really weird!
And I’m sure most people haven’t even watched The Fifth Estate if they really think it glorify Julian Assange! Yes, it was a big bomb because people weren’t interested in (a bad received) political movie. Probably a weak point is that it didn’t mention the sexual abuse allegations against him. I’m totally behind that criticism! But I think it actually haven’t aged a lot as political drama. Julian Assange is presented as a very ambiguous, paranoid, obsessed and manipulative guy. He is also smart and with political convictions but these are presented as the political convictions of a narcissist and fanatic. The reason Assange was very angry with the script then was that he wasn’t presented as a hero and that the plot was centered in the disappointment that a lot of his followers felt for him. He wasn’t presented as The Evil guy but as an almost pathetic figure who did something good (publishing the Collateral Murded video) but then went insane! And most important, the heated criticism wasn’t because they didn’t showed Assange as “Russian puppet” but by Assange and his followers because “it was a Hollywood propaganda movie” against their hero! I just remember a few of the positive reviews by Owen Gleiberman saying he was not different to a lot of people he knew from far left and suggested some of the attacks to the movie were from those kind of people! In other words, the movie didn’t get old, the (political) criticisms did. Now others are criticizing it for something there is not in the movie!
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Post by MagdaFR on Dec 15, 2018 14:21:44 GMT
I didn't know what you were talking about but I just found this retweet from Lexi Alexander.
Why are they so mad at this?
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Post by sgev1977 on Dec 15, 2018 15:13:59 GMT
I think The Guardian writer is kind of incited them. I try to understand her. She writes about the doubtful and probably illegal methods behind the Leave campaign so somehow she fears the movie in some way affect the legal case against the accused, one of them is Cummings himself, now that it’s being investigated. She has a valid point but I think she is all over the place with her criticism. First, she agreed with a tweet by a Breitbart editor saying BC was evil (he hated him because his campaign pro-refugees, by the way) and was attacking BC, in general, as the main responsible of the film even when she knew James Graham was the force behind the project because he actually invited her to participate in the film (her words on the Vulture article). She didn’t agreed because she thought it was too soon. That’s ok. It’s her morals but she can’t impose them to others. So until then she was agreeing with Steve Brannon and his people about the script and about make it look like it was an evil deed of a famous liberal celebrity. Then Graham contacted her on Twitter saying that wasn’t the final script and she plead to him not doing the movie with whatever script because it’s too soon (again her morals vs. others) and suddenly posted that image of an easily accessible site (it wasn’t some investigative job, people) about one Russian financier of one of the multiple movie companies behind the film. She then said she wasn’t accusing them of anything just saying how there are suspicious Russian everywhere! Still her followers understood it has Putin is behind it. A few people in the industry said that wasn’t fair because the owner of the company she is suggesting has some links with Russia is a very respected woman with a long and very respected career. She again said she wasn’t suggesting anything and that she wouldn’t even dare because the Russia guy is very litigious.
Now she recycled that tweet without the context and no new info but mainly is accusing HBO of intervening in domestic issues for doing a movie about an ongoing UK criminal/political case and asked how they would feel if the British did the same with Donald Trump?! She, of course, knows it’s a British production but somehow Americans are now behind it. Also, which country isn’t doing artistic representations of Donald Trump right now? Mostly sketch comedies!
I don’t think that Alexander woman is very bright. She sounds like a Tumblr teenager! I would prefer that “evil” men are represented as human on screen instead of just “evil”. Including racists and even people like Hitler or Stalin. Why? Because they are/were human. That’s the power of good art (versus just propaganda, by the way), we recognizing ourselves in people doing bad deeds so not repeating them. We noticing which are the signs of something bad happening in others in realistic portrayed human beings so we can stop them before it’s too late.
Remember when she declared a la Spartacus that she wrote that awful list in which anyone anonymously could write an abuser’s name on media (Shitty Media Men list!) I understand there is at least one suit against the real author now. She is a fool!
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Post by sgev1977 on Dec 15, 2018 18:09:42 GMT
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