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Post by roverpup on Aug 12, 2017 16:06:49 GMT
I agree with you that the date of completion for MM was prior to TCW, so it has to be another factor more in line with that HW has lost faith in it and has seen TCW and has more faith in that production for Oscar material. For sure it doesn't mean that MM is a "bad" film" - a lot of very superior films have been abandoned by they production companies - but it does mean there are commercial or artistic concerns about it that made TWC change its mind on the distribution of it in favour of TCW. fine by me (as I said previously) - I would rather see TCW in the limelight than MM any day of the week. Like Mllemass I really like films like TCW - historical based, biopics that examine an interesting era in history and make it relate in some way to the here and now (like TIG did). Mythical religious based films - not in my wheelhouse at all.The last one I found remotely interesting was The Last Temptation of Christ.
Lion was my choice for Oscars - I loved that movie so much! So I am glad TWC back it at Oscar time.
As far as HW's failures... sure he's had a spate of them recently, but so have a lot of others. And he is a producer who also takes a lot of risks (as he did with TIG) with distribution/support of independent productions. Overall he has a pretty enviable track record I would think. When I looked on Wikipedia I was shocked to see how many of the movies with his name attached I had seen and really loved. And he and TWC have supported and continue to support Michael Moore (who has a new doc coming out thru TWC on D. Trump) which I think is important.
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Post by igs on Aug 12, 2017 22:04:23 GMT
They finished MM much more earlier than TCW so I doubt it's not finished yet. If it's true and it disappears of his schedule then surely, HE has issues with it. It doesn't mean it's bad. He uses to do these changes all the time. It just mean he is not happy with it but of course it's not a good sign at all! I don't mean that it was never finished in the first place, just that there are issues with it now that they're trying to correct but won't make it to Nov 24. But yeah could be that it just sucks lol. I have no personal interest at all in it, though I like the actors. I loved Lion, but it didn't win any Oscars did it? This is what I meant by failure relative to Weinstein, not failure relative to film industry in general. TIG was the last Weinstein movie to win one of the big 8 Oscars no? So maybe TCW with the Benedict factor and all seems like a better bet for HW than MM.
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Post by sgev1977 on Aug 12, 2017 22:49:44 GMT
It's very common for him to do this kind of changes at last minute. I think the most extreme was when it seemed A:OC was his favorite and it was scheduled for his so called favorite date then after it received a cold reception at TIFF he changed it for a December releas and bought the Venecia hit, Philomena. And of course, just last year the MacDonald movie was scheduled for November and then around this time he put Lion in its original date and practically abandoned the other movie.
I know he is considered an Oscar fetishist or something similar but I doubt that's the case. He has a semi-indie company that do prestige little movies. Actually he and his brother began as importers of art movies from around the world. The only way they could sold them to the audiences was convinced them that those were very important films they absolutely had to watch on the big screen. I mean they made an event of a little British movie about a romance between an IRA terrorist and a black trans woman that was a big box office failure in its original country! Thanks to their crazy campaigns for the Oscars, of course. Things have changed and people not just respect less the awards but mature entertainment is more commonly found on the small screen meanwhile movies seems to be just for kids (or nostalgic old people obsessed with kids stuff!). It's not weird he is struggling right now! But my point is, I really doubt he don't want the Oscars itself. He wants the free publicity that comes (or used to comes) with it so I think a nomination is good enough for him...if the movie is a hit!
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Post by MagdaFR on Aug 12, 2017 22:56:25 GMT
From Wikipedia Maybe it is not too risky and Weinstein preferred to release this movie near Christmas and make money.
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Post by sgev1977 on Aug 12, 2017 23:10:10 GMT
According to EW, it's not scheduled right now in all 2017. But I'm still waiting for more confirmation about the changes! It hasn't been reported in other outlets!
We should know soon because they have to release some promotional material soon.
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Post by mllemass on Aug 13, 2017 4:13:40 GMT
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Post by kreizimam on Aug 13, 2017 5:13:18 GMT
It's very common for him to do this kind of changes at last minute. I think the most extreme was when it seemed A:OC was his favorite and it was scheduled for his so called favorite date then after it received a cold reception at TIFF he changed it for a December releas and bought the Venecia hit, Philomena. And of course, just last year the MacDonald movie was scheduled for November and then around this time he put Lion in its original date and practically abandoned the other movie. I know he is considered an Oscar fetishist or something similar but I doubt that's the case. He has a semi-indie company that do prestige little movies. Actually he and his brother began as importers of art movies from around the world. The only way they could sold them to the audiences was convinced them that those were very important films they absolutely had to watch on the big screen. I mean they made an event of a little British movie about a romance between an IRA terrorist and a black trans woman that was a big box office failure in its original country! Thanks to their crazy campaigns for the Oscars, of course. Things have changed and people not just respect less the awards but mature entertainment is more commonly found on the small screen meanwhile movies seems to be just for kids (or nostalgic old people obsessed with kids stuff!). It's not weird he is struggling right now! But my point is, I really doubt he don't want the Oscars itself. He wants the free publicity that comes (or used to comes) with it so I think a nomination is good enough for him...if the movie is a hit! The Crying Game was my first 'serious movie. So thanks, Weinsteins. Thanks for the recent Snowpiercer and It Follows too.
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Post by igs on Aug 13, 2017 10:44:07 GMT
I'm not saying the Weinstein Company is totally without merit and nothing but Oscar freaks. But that is a big part of their MO - even though maybe it's not why they started the company or the case with every single movie they do - I don't think it's even arguable. Harvey has helmed some aggressive awards campaigning in the past, as far back as 1990 when he sent Daniel Day-Lewis in front of the fucking senate for some disability law and borderline bribed the Academy and the press in the 90s. I mean that's not your regular "oh we appreciate accolades" level of award enthusiasm, that's above and beyond. I don't hate the company or anything, I just find Harvey a tad ridiculous.
And yeah, awards be damned the best time to release MM would probably be Christmas time seeing as it heavily features Jesus.
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Post by ellie on Aug 13, 2017 11:03:14 GMT
I don't know IGS, if they want to link it to a Christian holiday then Easter is more relevant to the Mary Magdelane story. Therefore March would make sense. The movie sounds interesting.
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Post by sgev1977 on Aug 13, 2017 11:23:43 GMT
I agreed the company and the campaigns are ridiculous. And definitely Weinstein himself deserves a lot of criticism. I'm not defending him. I'm just saying that even when he has had a lot of failures recently, TIG wasn't his last hit movie. He has others after it and that I doubt they mesure their success in awards even when they are known for them. It's just a tool to make their kind of movies profitable.
They haven't released an official announcement yet but if EW is right as informed by mllemass, then TCW has MM old date and MM was left completely out of schedule this year so until know (and if the info is right) there is not a December release for it. Maybe Easter but again, you never know with them! Things can change suddenly!
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